Casebook Examiner Number 5

[lynn cates]

standing in the rain

Hello Ben. I can see a man standing in a downpour--I did that frequently when I was a young dustman many years ago. I may even see some standing about taking place--maybe. But producing a hanky in the rain--not quite sure about that one. As Fish points out, it will get soggy fast.

Cheers.
LC

[Fisherman]

Right, itīs napping time for me (we Swedes are ahead of the rest of you in at least one sense) - but I will pick up on things again tomorrow!

The best,
Fisherman

[corey123]

Thanks mike, I was supprised as well. I hope you enjoy it my fried, that gorsfor everyone. Have a good evening all.

[Ben]

But producing a hanky in the rain--not quite sure about that one. As Fish points out, it will get soggy fast.

Exactly, Lynn, which means that Hutchinson simply didn't think through that aspect of the fabrication (geddit? ). It seems infinitely preferable to assuming that he misremembered the time of a real "bone-dry hanky" sighting by three days!

All the best,
Ben

[Tom_Wescott]

I can't wait to read this stuff. Seems Fish's essay is winning a lot of favor, so congrats there. Hard to imagine he'd make more sense than Ben, but stranger things have happened...or have they? Hmmm.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[Ben]

Seems Fish's essay is winning a lot of favor

Only because a few of his mates have shown up, Tom!

(Just sporting with you, Fish, and everyone).

I'm sure the praise is fully deserved and I look forward to reading his article.

All the best,
Ben

[lynn cates]

story

Hello Ben. I know what you mean. And certainly, it is difficult to accept that one mis-remembers days. But we seem to have accepted that in Mrs. Maxwell's case and I believe one other case. And, as Fish points out, Dew lumps those together.

Frankly, I have tried every possible scenario to evade that conclusion in Maxwell's case. I even wondered (don't laugh) if MJK were an agent being escorted out by SY to a safe place and replaced by a different lady (SY agent) who, unfortunately, was not able to evade her demise.

But fantasy notwithstanding, it would make no sense whatsoever to appear the next morning in the street to discuss her gastric distress with Mrs. Maxwell and hence undo all the work "accomplished" in making an "escape."

The simplest explanation is that Mrs. Maxwell goofed and, by parity of reasoning, so did Hutchinson.

Cheers.
LC

[mariab]

Lynn Cates wrote:
I even wondered (don't laugh) if MJK were an agent being escorted out by SY to a safe place and replaced by a different lady (SY agent) who, unfortunately, was not able to evade her demise.
I just love your scenarios about Mary Kelly the escapee and Stride the (toothless) Bond girl, Lynn. But you know, after having established with you yesterday that our pal Schwartz-no-first-name gave his speech after a Russian socialist who was tight with William Wess, I'm starting having serious doubts if Pipeman and BS ever existed. Still, it's all off the record and still too early to say.

[Ben]

Hi Lynn,

I agree with your thoughts regarding Maxwell, but the factors that make a "different day" hypothesis a reasonable suggestion in her case are simply absent in Hutchinson's. In addition, the evidence of Sarah Lewis (who certainly didn't confuse the day) with her wideawake man tallies too closely with Hutchinson's evidence for it to be credibly suggested that they referred to seperate individuals. Otherwise, we're left with two seperate 2:30am observers of the Miller's Court entrance appearing at the same location and engaging in the same behaviour on different days, which stretches credibility.

Best wishes,
Ben

[claire]

Just wanted to jump in, off the Hutch topic, and say how much I enjoyed Mr Wescott's piece. Not got much in the way of critique or sensible comment, but it was lovely to see some widening of the cast of characters (again...seems to be hallmark Wescott ) and a little gentle suggestion. I'm going to pour myself a(nother) drink and have another read now.

Great Hutch articles, too, from our own protagonists in the GH saga I've yet to get to the others, but it is a great edition. Cheers all.

Okay, off to locate ice.

[lynn cates]

substances

Hello Maria. Thanks. Although my philosophical colleagues may ingest funny substances to alter their thinking, I do not--really.

Ah! Satori on Berner st? Though it be madness, yet is there method in't.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

follow up

Hello Ben

"the factors that make a "different day" hypothesis a reasonable suggestion in her case are simply absent in Hutchinson's."

I see. Could you follow up on this? Which ones, particularly?

Cheers.
LC

[Tom_Wescott]

Ben,

I've intentionally avoided reading the comments here to closely to avoid spoilers before I myself read the articles, but I've just printed the two out to take home. You've been around so long, I'm surprised this is really your first published Ripper essay. I hope to have more to say tomorrow.

Claire,

Thank you so much! I don't know that I'm widening the cast of characters, since Le Grand and the poets/artists were already there before me. I'm just trying to flesh some out a bit or add perspective. I'd never published an essay with Mary Kelly's name in the title, so this gave me a good excuse.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[mariab]

Lynn Cates:
Although my philosophical colleagues may ingest funny substances to alter their thinking, I do not--really.
Ah! Satori on Berner st? Though it be madness, yet is there method in't.
I'm afraid I'm not so much about satori or substances or spiritual experiences either. I'm more for sushi than satori, and I love mushrooms, but in my omelette or salad or quiche.
By the by, I should post this in your Kaufmann thread but what the heck, I'm too lazy. Debra Arif just PMed me that the French spies' Vonderland is Wonderland, a well-known venue of boxing matches in Victorian London.
Now to answer a last email (from my South African FF) before finally tending to the fish ...

[Garza]

I just love your scenarios about Mary Kelly the escapee and Stride the (toothless) Bond girl, Lynn. But you know, after having established with you yesterday that our pal Schwartz-no-first-name gave his speech after a Russian socialist who was tight with William Wess, I'm starting having serious doubts if Pipeman and BS ever existed. Still, it's all off the record and still too early to say.

lol I feckin knew it maria

Schwartz's testimony always seemed out of place for me. Will look forward to your research .