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    Spent a good amount of time before Christmas ploughing my way through this tome and can say with certainty that, no, I didn't love this Jack. Apart from the few usual words about poverty in the East End, I couldn't find much interest in the victims. There was some babble regarding metal on, round or under them (I lost interest in this eventually, but apparently this has to do with Freemasons (!), which appeared to be the main theme of the book: HE was a Freemason, he WAS a Freemason, he was (wait for it) a FREEMASON! His evidence for this was thin to say the least: if you are looking for a plural of JU, the obvious would be JUs or JUes, not JUWES and his obsession with the inverted v falls on his world shattering piece of evidence "proving" that two inverted "v"s proved that Kate Eddowes' injuries were known to someone at the time (naturally the murderer) falls on the fact that inverted "v"s (or "y"s) indicated words added to a sentence when there was no room to write them in place, and indeed there are two words written above the line. The book is more about Freemasons than JTR, or indeed his suspect and deteriorates into what can be described as resembling a little boy's whining because the big boys won't let him join their club! In fact, any conspiracy theory regarding a cover up would not be dependant on the big boy's club. This was the age of Scott and Oates and Kipling. Freemasonery would not be necessary to cover up a scandal threatening Queen and Country, any ex-public schoolboy would put his life and reputation on the line.

    Not without humour, though. We are expected to swallow Maybrick's difference in height to the 5' plus suspect (he was six foot two) on the claim that he bought grapes from Packer and had to bend down to the window, thus appearing much shorter.

    I won't bother anyone with the fact that Maybrick is credited with writing all of the letters to the police on the grounds that he claimed to be able to write several different hands (which doesn't mean he could alter his handstyle at will, merely that someone who could for example write in the style of handwriting favoured by lawyers - rather like different fonts on a computer).

    As for his liberal sprinkling of obscenities throughout the book, I feel this is designed to draw attention from his literary failings.

    No, not worth its weight. In my opinion, anyway. A very tedious book!

    Best wishes
    C4

  • #2
    Finally finished the Audible version myself. Probably couldn't have tolerated it if I actually had to read it. At best, its a historic novel with even some of the "facts" incorrect. One would need a complex outline to keep up with the conspiracy network.
    Best Wishes,
    Hunter
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    When evidence is not to be had, theories abound. Even the most plausible of them do not carry conviction- London Times Nov. 10.1888

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    • #3
      Read through this book a couple of months ago. I think it should be put under fiction considering he claims all the Ripper letters are the work of one person. Must be one incredibly bored individual to go through all that trouble. To me this is just another anti Freemasonry book.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by curious4 View Post
        Spent a good amount of time before Christmas ploughing my way through this tome and can say with certainty that, no, I didn't love this Jack. Apart from the few usual words about poverty in the East End, I couldn't find much interest in the victims. There was some babble regarding metal on, round or under them (I lost interest in this eventually, but apparently this has to do with Freemasons (!), which appeared to be the main theme of the book: HE was a Freemason, he WAS a Freemason, he was (wait for it) a FREEMASON! His evidence for this was thin to say the least: if you are looking for a plural of JU, the obvious would be JUs or JUes, not JUWES and his obsession with the inverted v falls on his world shattering piece of evidence "proving" that two inverted "v"s proved that Kate Eddowes' injuries were known to someone at the time (naturally the murderer) falls on the fact that inverted "v"s (or "y"s) indicated words added to a sentence when there was no room to write them in place, and indeed there are two words written above the line. The book is more about Freemasons than JTR, or indeed his suspect and deteriorates into what can be described as resembling a little boy's whining because the big boys won't let him join their club! In fact, any conspiracy theory regarding a cover up would not be dependant on the big boy's club. This was the age of Scott and Oates and Kipling. Freemasonery would not be necessary to cover up a scandal threatening Queen and Country, any ex-public schoolboy would put his life and reputation on the line.

        Not without humour, though. We are expected to swallow Maybrick's difference in height to the 5' plus suspect (he was six foot two) on the claim that he bought grapes from Packer and had to bend down to the window, thus appearing much shorter.

        I won't bother anyone with the fact that Maybrick is credited with writing all of the letters to the police on the grounds that he claimed to be able to write several different hands (which doesn't mean he could alter his handstyle at will, merely that someone who could for example write in the style of handwriting favoured by lawyers - rather like different fonts on a computer).

        As for his liberal sprinkling of obscenities throughout the book, I feel this is designed to draw attention from his literary failings.

        No, not worth its weight. In my opinion, anyway. A very tedious book!

        Best wishes
        C4
        Hi C4,

        I was thinking about purchasing the book myself. From some of the reviews I've read, there was generally negative opinions about his choice of suspect and the stuff about freemasons, but praise for the amount of research undertaken (I believe he engaged Keith Skinner as a researcher). Did you find the book contained any novel research, or information not available in most other books?

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        • #5
          I really enjoyed listening to the audiobook version of this work.

          While I agree with most of the points raised above, and did find myself disagreeing outloud with some of Robinson's assumptions and conclusions, I thought there were some very interesting things raised that do require explanation (the whole thing around the grapes made me think) and it is written in an entertaining (to me) style that the narrator seems to really have a lot of fun with.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by John G View Post
            Hi C4,

            I was thinking about purchasing the book myself. From some of the reviews I've read, there was generally negative opinions about his choice of suspect and the stuff about freemasons, but praise for the amount of research undertaken (I believe he engaged Keith Skinner as a researcher). Did you find the book contained any novel research, or information not available in most other books?
            Hello JohnG

            I wouldn't recommend this book to anyone who was interested in JTR. If you are interested in Freemasons or a serial killer suddenly starts disembowelling Freemasons, yes this one's probably for you.

            Nothing new in it at all as far as I could see - neither regarding the East End in 1888 nor regarding the victims, or indeed JTR.

            Sorry to be so negative but that's what I think.

            I have read many books on JTR where I disagree with the author's choice of killer, but which give valuable and useful background information. This is not one of them. In fact I disliked it so much I had to turn to the Kray brothers for some light relief!

            Best wishes
            C4

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            • #7
              Originally posted by curious4 View Post
              Hello JohnG

              I wouldn't recommend this book to anyone who was interested in JTR. If you are interested in Freemasons or a serial killer suddenly starts disembowelling Freemasons, yes this one's probably for you.

              Nothing new in it at all as far as I could see - neither regarding the East End in 1888 nor regarding the victims, or indeed JTR.

              Sorry to be so negative but that's what I think.

              I have read many books on JTR where I disagree with the author's choice of killer, but which give valuable and useful background information. This is not one of them. In fact I disliked it so much I had to turn to the Kray brothers for some light relief!

              Best wishes
              C4
              Hello C4

              Thanks for the reply and advice. I think I'll probably give the book a miss then, particularly as it runs to over 800 pages!

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              • #8
                Originally posted by scanbran View Post
                I really enjoyed listening to the audiobook version of this work.

                While I agree with most of the points raised above, and did find myself disagreeing outloud with some of Robinson's assumptions and conclusions, I thought there were some very interesting things raised that do require explanation (the whole thing around the grapes made me think) and it is written in an entertaining (to me) style that the narrator seems to really have a lot of fun with.
                Hello Scanbran

                That must have been quite a narrator! I think the grapes thing could have been possible, although it could be claimed that there were blood clots on her hand which could have been mistaken for grapes in the dark. I am quite open to a cover-up by senior police if they thought Queen and country at risk. Swanson was interested in Packer's evidence, but seemed to change his mind. I am inclined to think that he was believed but that it was thought that he would come across as an unreliable witness. Any conspiracy would not have involved Freemasons covering up for each other but a more general threat to the Crown as I see it.

                Best wishes
                C4

                PS Did the narrator include ALL the obscenities?
                Last edited by curious4; 01-15-2016, 11:59 AM.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by John G View Post
                  Hello C4

                  Thanks for the reply and advice. I think I'll probably give the book a miss then, particularly as it runs to over 800 pages!
                  Hello John

                  Yes, a weighty book indeed! It was as hard to lift as it was to read!

                  Best wishes
                  C4

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by curious4 View Post

                    PS Did the narrator include ALL the obscenities?

                    Yes, it certainly seemed like it!

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by scanbran View Post
                      Yes, it certainly seemed like it!
                      😆😆 Would almost be worth listening to!

                      C4

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                      • #12
                        I bought it...wish I hadn't...it's so rabid as to be tedious

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Cogidubnus View Post
                          I bought it...wish I hadn't...it's so rabid as to be tedious
                          That good????
                          G U T

                          There are two ways to be fooled, one is to believe what isn't true, the other is to refuse to believe that which is true.

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                          • #14
                            It'd almost be worth the postage from the UK to Australia to get the thing off my bookshelves...almost...I'm seriously considering binning the thing, (and I don't think I've ever done that with a book)...yeah it's THAT good...

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                            • #15
                              Shame you already bought it.
                              Here it is at an unbelievable bargain price.

                              Last edited by drstrange169; 01-19-2016, 08:33 PM.
                              dustymiller
                              aka drstrange

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