Jack the Ripper and Black Magic: Victorian Conspiracy Theories, Secret Societies and

[Wickerman]

Williamson was the initial CID Chief Constable with Macnaghten assisting from 1889 to his appointment. Entries are also found made by Anderson, Littlechild and Swanson.

What they contain on the Whitechapel murders is summarised by Clutterbuck that it, "…does enable an outline to be constructed of an intriguing story involving an extreme Irish nationalist who is suspected of being 'Jack the Ripper', an alleged plot to assassinate the Secretary for Ireland, Balfour, and the activities of a private detective agency."

So dare I ask, is the above alluding to suspicions about Tumblety?

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So dare I ask, is the above alluding to suspicions about Tumblety?

Thanks for asking Jon, no, Clutterbuck makes it quite clear that there does not appear to be mention of Tumblety in the Ledgers.

Which is a bit of a conundrum because Littlechild of course mentions "a large dossier" and Anderson is known to have requested US police sources for information on him.

In my opinion, the mention of Tumblety at all alludes to other matters of the period and investigation. As with other official primary sources on the Whitechapel murders, there are obviously gaps here too.

[Wickerman]

Thankyou Spiro.

Ok then, if you don't mind me asking, do you have, or had, access to Clutterbuck's thesis?

It appears you know more about what Clutterbuck saw than is readily available, at least on Casebook.
I am wondering what else Clutterbuck might have read that could have a bearing on a broader range of theories, not just his, or yours?

I notice he has authored/co-authored a couple of books on the subject of terrorism. Are his observations on the 'Whitechapel Murder' content of the SB Files available to the public anywhere?


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FYI for any other interested Casebook members.

Education
Ph.D. in police and criminal justice studies, University of Portsmouth

Biography
Lindsay Clutterbuck is a research leader at RAND Europe. Clutterbuck served for 22 years as a detective officer in the Specialist Operations Department at New Scotland Yard. During that period, he worked on all aspects of counterterrorism, from covert intelligence operations and the development of national strategy and policy to contingency planning and the planning and delivery of multiagency exercises. He has contributed articles to academic journals and chapters to books on both historical and contemporary aspects of terrorism and counterterrorism. Clutterbuck holds a B.Sc. in zoology from the University of Sheffield; an M.A. in policing studies from the University of Exeter; and a Ph.D. from the University of Portsmouth, where his doctoral research examined the origins and evolution of terrorism and counterterrorism in the UK.

Research Focus: Counterterrorism; Terrorism

Previous Positions
Detective Chief Inspector, Specialist Operations Department, Metropolitan Police Service, New Scotland Yard

[Trevor Marriott]

The Thesis

The thesis is available to purchase and I would recommend it to everyone it gives a wealth of information about the workings of Special Branch during this period of time.

Incidentallay in my quest to gain access to these records the police suggested that Clutterbuck did not have permission to publish anything from these records.


[QUOTE=Wickerman;272982]Thankyou Spiro.

Ok then, if you don't mind me asking, do you have, or had, access to Clutterbuck's thesis?

It appears you know more about what Clutterbuck saw than is readily available, at least on Casebook.
I am wondering what else Clutterbuck might have read that could have a bearing on a broader range of theories, not just his, or yours?

I notice he has authored/co-authored a couple of books on the subject of terrorism. Are his observations on the 'Whitechapel Murder' content of the SB Files available to the public anywhere?ial B[

Although Clutterbuck’s thesis is formulated around the workings of Special Branch he does pass comments in relation to certain officers who have previously been mentioned in connection with The Whitechapel murders, these being Inspector Abberline, Chief Inspector Littlechild, Sir Robert Anderson, and James Monro all of whom in later years all suggested they knew the identity of Jack the Ripper in their respective memoirs or letters.

Clutterbuck specifically mentions Monro and refers to a sentence in a memorandum from the Home Secretary Henry Matthews sent in 1888 to his Private Secretary Evelyn Ruggles-Brise. That read "Stimulate the Police about the Whitechapel murders. Monro might be willing to give a hint to the CID people if necessary."

This memo seemed to suggest that Monro at the time knew more about the possible identity of Jack the Ripper than his role as “secret agent” for the home office allowed him to reveal to the detectives investigating the murders.

Clutterbuck states in his thesis that The Chief Constable’s register contains several intriguing references to at least support the contention that “special” had more than a passing interest in Jack the Ripper, but none to corroborate Frances Tumblety the new contemporary suspect that Stewart Evans and Paul Gainey had put forward in their book “The Lodger” (1995). Conversely he states that their conclusion (Evans and Gainey) that “Ripperologist’s” could no longer rely upon the writings of Sir Robert Anderson as accurate tends to echo in the comments of Superintendent Mallon of the Dublin metropolitan police some years previously (Bussey.1910).

[Trevor Marriott]

So dare I ask, is the above alluding to suspicions about Tumblety?

Not Tumblety !

[auspirograph]

Thankyou Spiro.

You're welcome.

Ok then, if you don't mind me asking, do you have, or had, access to Clutterbuck's thesis?

I have had access to his thesis from around 2006, as I was researching the book. Copies can be obtained here:

http://www.investigatingtheterror.com/SS7-7/ClutterbuckThesis.pdf

It appears you know more about what Clutterbuck saw than is readily available, at least on Casebook.
I am wondering what else Clutterbuck might have read that could have a bearing on a broader range of theories, not just his, or yours?

Yes, I had some contact with him and discussed the book, his support is acknowledged in the book. I'm not sure why you may think that any of this has bearing on holding theories as such because his thesis and my book are more concerned with documenting information and drawing some conclusions based on the evidence.

Regarding his Ripper sources, he lists in the bibliography:

- The Jack the Ripper A to Z (1991) Fido, Begg & Skinner
- The Lodger (1995) Evans & Gainey
- The Ripper Legacy (1987) Howells & Skinner

I notice he has authored/co-authored a couple of books on the subject of terrorism. Are his observations on the 'Whitechapel Murder' content of the SB Files available to the public anywhere?

No, his views on the Whitechapel murders is limited to what is found in the thesis which is now in the public domain, and the few mentions are not thorough. Keith Skinner provided him with a copy of Monro's memoirs. He only says, "However, it is a digression from the thrust of this research and regretfully it cannot be pursued appropriately here".

The rest is history but the inclinations found in the Special Branch ledgers on the Whitechapel murders are supported with other credible sources and these I have explored further in my book.

What I think needs to be understood to place these obvious and credible sources on Jack the Ripper in context is that by 1888, according to 1887 Police Orders permanently establishing this internal division of Scotland Yard Central Office directly responsible to the Home Office and funded separately, was that it was a different organization to what it would later become; prior to WW1.

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Fun Police

Who says the police can't have fun too...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-E_tikSXfc

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Incidentallay in my quest to gain access to these records the police suggested that Clutterbuck did not have permission to publish anything from these records.

Incidentally, this is another Trevor Marriott despicable, self-serving lie.

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Not Feigenbaum

Not Tumblety !

Well that is odd that you would go on a quest, like the man of La Mancha, in search of your suspect Feigenbaum in the pages of the Special Branch ledgers.

At least with Tumblety, we have a highly placed police source, unlike yourself, who names a previously unknown suspect for the Whitechapel murders.

The mythology of Feigenbaum you have created strikes me as akin to the theories on Deeming. Intriguing but a diversion only...

Your agenda has become quite clear now, in your quest to 'eliminate' all previous Jack the Ripper suspects, to go so far as to declare with Simon Wood and other journalistic flutter, that Jack the Ripper did not exist...all established research on the subject is in your opinion void.

And you want to replace it with...Feigenbaum??? Not a chance...

As I have said before, the Special Branch material is new and important primary source material on the subject because what really happened is just as important as who.

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Whittington-Egan

I'd like to take this chance to thank Richard Whittington-Egan, who had considered writing the foreword to my book but due to illness at the time was unable. His positive and encouraging interest in new material by this Ripperologist is appreciated.

Which is even more remarkable that his highly anticipated new and updated book has now been released and I wish him every success with it. It is a much needed antidote to the baseless and incessant speculative parlor game the Ripper has become to mainstream publishing.

[Magpie]

Silly question, and forgive me if it's been asked before, but is Lindsay Clutterbuck any relation to Dorothy Clutterbuck?

[Stewart P Evans]

Neither...

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Although Clutterbuck’s thesis is formulated around the workings of Special Branch he does pass comments in relation to certain officers who have previously been mentioned in connection with The Whitechapel murders, these being Inspector Abberline, Chief Inspector Littlechild, Sir Robert Anderson, and James Monro all of whom in later years all suggested they knew the identity of Jack the Ripper in their respective memoirs or letters.
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Neither Littlechild nor Monro ever suggested that he knew the identity of 'Jack the Ripper'.

[Trevor Marriott]

Neither Littlechild nor Monro ever suggested that he knew the identity of 'Jack the Ripper'.

Excuse me didn't Littlechild say he thought your old friend Tumblety was likley to have been the ripper.

[The Good Michael]

Excuse me didn't Littlechild say he thought your old friend Tumblety was likley to have been the ripper.

He said that Tumblety was more likely than the other suspects. He never said Tumblety was the ripper. Two completely different things.

Mike

[Trevor Marriott]

He said that Tumblety was more likely than the other suspects. He never said Tumblety was the ripper. Two completely different things.

Mike

Well anyone who is likely to have been the ripper may have in fact been the ripper would he not ?

Whats your problem ?