Trevor Marriot - "The Real Truth"

[John G]

Having just finished my first read of this publication I would say that once again the outstanding points are the medical opinions of the professionals consulted, which were discussed at great length only a few months ago.
I find these most enlightening when taken without the intepretation of the author.
The comments by Dr Biggs on bleeding should really be studied by those wishing to use bleed times to point to time of death and potential suspects.
These are not contrary views to those expressed by another expert Mr Payne-James, rather they give a fuller picture and should be read and used together.

The other area of real interest and a very deep shame is Trevors again repeated account of his attempt to open Police Files, it seems he was really on a hiding to nothing on this case and should be applauded for his efforts; such a shame that the police were allowed to seemingly distroy these invaluable records.

However the above was for the most part covered in the previous book and an updated edition would have been a better option than a whole new book, given this is kindle such updates can be automatically added to those who already have the book.


Steve

Hi Steve,

Regarding Dr Biggs, is there additional material in the new book?

[Elamarna]

I missed this comment, Steve. That's a very succint way of saying things. I wish I'd said it.

Thank you Paul.
With regards to the secret files I will go and see. Still a shame such were lost.

As for Trevors claim we are giving him free publicity, I seriously doubt that the users of this forum are his intended victims.



Steve

[Elamarna]

Hi Steve,

Regarding Dr Biggs, is there additional material in the new book?

I would need to read both again to be sure, but my feeling is probably not.

He covers bleeding times and the torsos pretty sure those were in the first book.

Will get back to you .

Steve

[John G]

I would need to read both again to be sure, but my feeling is probably not.

He covers bleeding times and the torsos pretty sure those were in the first book.

Will get back to you .

Steve

Okay thanks Steve. Much appreciated.

[PaulB]

On a final note, before I take my leave. As you are doing a grand job in promoting my books I notice you have failed to mention my two Victorian crime novels, or is it the case that you cannot find anything bad to say about them ?

http://www.trevormarriott.co.uk/prey-time/

http://www.trevormarriott.co.uk/sherlock-holmes-final-chapter/

and I will sure to let you know when the pirate book is out for you to buy !

That's it is it? You throw your toys from your pram because I suggest your book is tantamount to a rip-off, I reply with a short but detailed critique of your work, and you have absolutely no answer. You really do have utter contempt for your subjects and, sadly, your readers.

As you'd have known if you bothered to read Ripper publications, I read both your novels and reviewed them when they were published and I didn't have to look hard at all to find things bad to say about them. But I admire anyone who can write fiction, even very bad fiction, so whilst your factual books show themselves to be an attempt to turn a quick buck without you investing any real time and effort in researching or writing them, I really looked hard for good things to say about your fiction. I don't recall whether I did or not.

Bye Trevor, I wish you well on the dance floor.

[PaulB]

Hi Steve,

Regarding Dr Biggs, is there additional material in the new book?

Not that I noticed, John.

[Elamarna]

Okay thanks Steve. Much appreciated.

John

There is nothing new I can see. Indeed the chapter in the new book looks to be a straight reprint, of course I may have missed an odd change but nothing mind blowing.

Steve

[John G]

Not that I noticed, John.

Thanks for the reply Paul, much appreciated.

In Trevor's first book, The 21st Century Investigation, which I purchased back in 2005, the penultimate chapter considers the possibility that JtR was a merchant seaman, and involves research into merchant vessels that docked in London during the time of the murders. Just out of interest, do you think this represented a genuinely novel approach to the mystery?

[John G]

John

There is nothing new I can see. Indeed the chapter in the new book looks to be a straight reprint, of course I may have missed an odd change but nothing mind blowing.

Steve

Thanks Steve. I'll be giving it a miss then, particularly as the only part of The Secret Police Files that was of interest to me was the section on medical experts. Moreover, I haven't started Tom's book yet, which I'm very much looking forward to.

[PaulB]

Thanks for the reply Paul, much appreciated.

In Trevor's first book, The 21st Century Investigation, which I purchased back in 2005, the penultimate chapter considers the possibility that JtR was a merchant seaman, and involves research into merchant vessels that docked in London during the time of the murders. Just out of interest, do you think this represented a genuinely novel approach to the mystery?

At the time of the murders E.K. Larkins bothered anyone he thought would listen with his theory that the murders had been committed by one or more Portuguese seamen. Searches were also done of vessels in London docks. So, no, the theory was not original or novel. Whether or not Trevor thought it was is something I don't recall establishing. He doesn't appear to be very widely read on the subject of the Ripper, so my guess is that he thought it was.

[John G]

At the time of the murders E.K. Larkins bothered anyone he thought would listen with his theory that the murders had been committed by one or more Portuguese seamen. Searches were also done of vessels in London docks. So, no, the theory was not original or novel. Whether or not Trevor thought it was is something I don't recall establishing. He doesn't appear to be very widely read on the subject of the Ripper, so my guess is that he thought it was.

Thanks Paul. Trevor's first book was the third JtR book that I purchased, essentially because I was looking for a newly released work and I noticed it on the shelves at my local supermarket. The first was Jack the Ripper: The Facts (2004), by an author I'm sure you're well acquainted with! It's immensely detailed and remains my favourite book on the subject. I still refer to it from time to time.

My second purchase was Phillip Sugden's book, another excellent, detailed read. However, I did discover an error during a Casebook thread some time ago: He stated that Dr Phillips didn't believe Chapman and Eddowes were killed by the same person, however, the newspaper reference he cites makes it clear that it was actually Stride and Eddowes who Dr Phillips believed had different perpetrators. Proving that even respected historians are not infallible!

[PaulB]

Thanks Paul. Trevor's first book was the third JtR book that I purchased, essentially because I was looking for a newly released work and I noticed it on the shelves at my local supermarket. The first was Jack the Ripper: The Facts (2004), by an author I'm sure you're well acquainted with! It's immensely detailed and remains my favourite book on the subject. I still refer to it from time to time.

My second purchase was Phillip Sugden's book, another excellent, detailed read. However, I did discover an error during a Casebook thread some time ago: He stated that Dr Phillips didn't believe Chapman and Eddowes were killed by the same person, however, the newspaper reference he cites makes it clear that it was actually Stride and Eddowes who Dr Phillips believed had different perpetrators. Proving that even respected historians are not infallible!

Everyone makes mistakes and today the mistakes are easier than ever to make. There are so many people with specialist knowledge of narrow aspects of the case just waiting to pounce on the tiniest error, and there seems to be a growing tendency for some people to present errors in a very personal way.
Cheers
Paul