Lucy Wolsey Documentary is here.

[spyglass]

Hi all, The Lucy Wolsey JTR Documentary is finally here, its being screened on Friday 03.01.25 BBC 2 9.00pm.
It looks like a four part series, but not clear if all four episodes are about JTR.

Regards and a Happy New Year to all

[Geddy2112]

I think JtR is only one episode with others mentioned of being William The Conquer part 2 and The Gunpowder Plot part 3 with Bloody Mary being part 4.

[spyglass]

I think JtR is only one episode with others mentioned of being William The Conquer part 2 and The Gunpowder Plot part 3 with Bloody Mary being part 4.

Yes , I think your right, I remember these other subjects being mentioned now.

[Herlock Sholmes]

What are the odds of Halle Rubenhold not being involved? She’s appeared with Lucy Worsely before. I like Lucy Worsely but…call me cynical but I sense something agenda-driven. Maybe I’m wrong.

[spyglass]

What are the odds of Halle Rubenhold not being involved? She’s appeared with Lucy Worsely before. I like Lucy Worsely but…call me cynical but I sense something agenda-driven. Maybe I’m wrong.

I think she might be involved, So I feel a bit of trepidation, However, I know Wolsey has an interest in the Whitechapel Murders and Victorian crime from other programs she has presented, if not her specialist subject, I'm hoping for a balanced program.

As I understand it, it's not going to be a "pick a suspect from a list" type program, It seems it will concentrate more on the press and newspaper coverage at the time and since.

[Herlock Sholmes]

I think she might be involved, So I feel a bit of trepidation, However, I know Wolsey has an interest in the Whitechapel Murders and Victorian crime from other programs she has presented, if not her specialist subject, I'm hoping for a balanced program.

As I understand it, it's not going to be a "pick a suspect from a list" type program, It seems it will concentrate more on the press and newspaper coverage at the time and since.

I hope so Spyglass. Her programmes are always interesting and entertaining. Her three parters on Conan Doyle and Agatha Christie were good.

A bit of a Worsely mystery - I read a fair while ago that she was writing a book on Florence Nightingale and it should have been out last year but there’s no sign of it. I wonder why not? Now, cynical Herlock might be striking again but… is this something to do with the current PC climate? There is a blatantly agenda driven movement to promote Mary Seacole and demonise Nightingale that’s pretty disgraceful to be honest. So many false claims have been made in an attempt to promote Seacole as some kind of nursing prototype when she was nothing of the kind and to suggest that FN tried to prevent her becoming a nurse when even Seacole herself said that she never wanted to be a nurse. There were many pioneering women of colour in medicine and other disciplines over the years who all struggled against waves of intransigent sexism and, no doubt, some misogyny but these never get a mention because it appears that Seacole has been nominated as the ‘chosen one.’ Has Florence now become a bit ‘toxic’ and has Lucy, in essence, chickened out? I hope not.

[spyglass]

I hope so Spyglass. Her programmes are always interesting and entertaining. Her three parters on Conan Doyle and Agatha Christie were good.

A bit of a Worsely mystery - I read a fair while ago that she was writing a book on Florence Nightingale and it should have been out last year but there’s no sign of it. I wonder why not? Now, cynical Herlock might be striking again but… is this something to do with the current PC climate? There is a blatantly agenda driven movement to promote Mary Seacole and demonise Nightingale that’s pretty disgraceful to be honest. So many false claims have been made in an attempt to promote Seacole as some kind of nursing prototype when she was nothing of the kind and to suggest that FN tried to prevent her becoming a nurse when even Seacole herself said that she never wanted to be a nurse. There were many pioneering women of colour in medicine and other disciplines over the years who all struggled against waves of intransigent sexism and, no doubt, some misogyny but these never get a mention because it appears that Seacole has been nominated as the ‘chosen one.’ Has Florence now become a bit ‘toxic’ and has Lucy, in essence, chickened out? I hope not.

I dont know much or anything on either Nightingale or Seacole to be fair, but will look into it.

l know that Worsley has been criticised for suggesting parts of History have been whitewashed over the years and that alot that has been taught as fact for years may not be correct.
For instance she argues that the famous speech made by Elizabeth 1st at Tilbury and always quoted in Films and taught as fact was more than likely written by the Victorians, or at least some of the original speech was added too, and indeed is backed up by arduous research she has done
Also she claims the Tudors were the masters of "fake news" and love to embellish everything.

I think it always healthy to question what we've been taught in History, as Churchill once said
" History will be kind to me, for I intend to write it "

Regards

[Herlock Sholmes]

I dont know much or anything on either Nightingale or Seacole to be fair, but will look into it.

l know that Worsley has been criticised for suggesting parts of History have been whitewashed over the years and that alot that has been taught as fact for years may not be correct.
For instance she argues that the famous speech made by Elizabeth 1st at Tilbury and always quoted in Films and taught as fact was more than likely written by the Victorians, or at least some of the original speech was added too, and indeed is backed up by arduous research she has done
Also she claims the Tudors were the masters of "fake news" and love to embellish everything.

I think it always healthy to question what we've been taught in History, as Churchill once said
" History will be kind to me, for I intend to write it "

Regards

Couldn’t agree more Spyglass. She’s absolutely right to point out where legend or agenda has taken over in the past. I’m just hoping that she hasn’t gone along with just that kind of thing when it happens today. I don’t think for a minute that she’d knowingly promote false history but I know how sensitive people in the public eye are these days about being seen to be on the ‘wrong side’ of a debate/discussion when certain groups have decided on which is the ‘correct’ position to hold.

[Geddy2112]

What are the odds of Halle Rubenhold not being involved?

According to the Internet Movie Database imdb.com she is involved... the programme seems to be about the impact of Jack The Ripper rather than the case itself.