Death of Sophie Toscan du Plantier

[rjpalmer]

Every body language expert out there knows he is guilty too.

I watched the two documentaries and find the suspicions against Bailey credible.

That said, if you're ever bored, you might enjoy the following.

The Pseudoscience of Body Language Explained | by The Rewired Soul | Medium

[erobitha]

I watched the two documentaries and find the suspicions against Bailey credible.

That said, if you're ever bored, you might enjoy the following.

The Pseudoscience of Body Language Explained | by The Rewired Soul | Medium

Thanks RJ.

I certainly don't believe everyone who claims to be a 'body language expert' is actually so. Whilst it is still regarded as pseudo-science by many, it is used in many military and law enforcement circles by professionals who have a wealth of interrogation experience. In the context of interrogation I think the cues being analysed and looked at quite interesting, if not yet fully scientifically-validated. I find at least x3 of 'The Behaviour Panelists' very credible. The English guy seems to be from an entertainment background, whereas the other x3 have many many years of US military and law enforcement interrogation experience.

I think you have to look at the credentials of the analysts and and make your own mind up on the validity of their analysis.

I thought they did a very good piece on Bailey actually.

[MrBarnett]

This rather threw me. Apparently Jim Sheridan believes Bailey is innocent and has been framed.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.t...e-husband/amp/

[MrBarnett]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uD1uSCsbXO4

[erobitha]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uD1uSCsbXO4

He uses the alias 'Jack Burton' (including many more) on Twitter and YouTube.

He cannot help himself but interject himself into every online conversation, playing himself as an eternal victim. Absolute narcissistic behaviour.

[erobitha]

This rather threw me. Apparently Jim Sheridan believes Bailey is innocent and has been framed.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.t...e-husband/amp/

I think Jim will later look back on this as not his finest hour. Great filmmaker, but does not make him a great investigator. The story is sometimes more compelling than the truth.

Sophie's family want justice. Why would not they not do all they can to try and help continue to raise the case profile if it helps get the killer arrested?

There is no hidden 'Mr Big' or shadowy foreigner. It was Bailey.

[MrBarnett]

I think Jim will later look back on this as not his finest hour. Great filmmaker, but does not make him a great investigator. The story is sometimes more compelling than the truth.

Sophie's family want justice. Why would not they not do all they can to try and help continue to raise the case profile if it helps get the killer arrested?

There is no hidden 'Mr Big' or shadowy foreigner. It was Bailey.

I’ve no idea how good an investigator Sheridan is. He’s followed the case for decades and has personally interviewed Bailey, Thomas, Marie Farrell, the various Gardai etc. He no doubt finds Bailey as objectionable as most who have had any contact with him, but perhaps he’s able to consider things more objectively.

Sophie’s family want Bailey brought to justice. Sheridan’s point is that they seem uninterested in considering any other suspect.

There’s no doubt that Bailey is a very unpleasant person, but does that make him the killer? Why wouldn’t he interject into online conversations about a subject that is so crucial to him?

[erobitha]

I’ve no idea how good an investigator Sheridan is. He’s followed the case for decades and has personally interviewed Bailey, Thomas, Marie Farrell, the various Gardai etc. He no doubt finds Bailey as objectionable as most who have had any contact with him, but perhaps he’s able to consider things more objectively.

Sophie’s family want Bailey brought to justice. Sheridan’s point is that they seem uninterested in considering any other suspect.

There’s no doubt that Bailey is a very unpleasant person, but does that make him the killer? Why wouldn’t he interject into online conversations about a subject that is so crucial to him?

As I said before, there could be a DNA breakthrough that ultimately puts it beyond doubt.

Until then it’s merely conjecture on forums like this.

[MrBarnett]

As I said before, there could be a DNA breakthrough that ultimately puts it beyond doubt.

Until then it’s merely conjecture on forums like this.

Yes, that’s what forums like this are for.

If this is true, any DNA evidence would be compromised.

https://www.corkbeo.ie/news/local-news/killer-returned-kneel-over-body-22516347

[erobitha]

Yes, that’s what forums like this are for.

If this is true, any DNA evidence would be compromised.

https://www.corkbeo.ie/news/local-ne...-body-22516347

Depends on what DNA was gathered and from which source and when. Bit premature to call it compromised. Although it would not shock me that would be a Bailey defence strategy.

The reality is the police made a pigs ear of the whole thing back then.

He is already convicted of this crime in France. If their court of law was happy enough with the evidence presented then I am inclined to believe a strong case has been made to prove his guilt. They have had access to files and information the Irish system has not had and have offered to share it.

[MrBarnett]

Depends on what DNA was gathered and from which source and when. Bit premature to call it compromised. Although it would not shock me that would be a Bailey defence strategy.

The reality is the police made a pigs ear of the whole thing back then.

He is already convicted of this crime in France. If their court of law was happy enough with the evidence presented then I am inclined to believe a strong case has been made to prove his guilt. They have had access to files and information the Irish system has not had and have offered to share it.

There might be DNA evidence from somewhere other than the crime scene I suppose, from the cottage, perhaps, or Sophie’s car. If Bailey was allowed access to the crime scene, any DNA evidence taken from there must be unsafe. And bearing in mind the police seem to have mislaid the blood-smeared gate, what reliance could be placed on any chain of evidence?

The French conviction was based on little or no evidence that would stand up in an Irish court of law. I think I’m right in saying the prosecution presented Marie Farrell’s original evidence without mentioning that she had subsequently retracted it.

[erobitha]

There might be DNA evidence from somewhere other than the crime scene I suppose, from the cottage, perhaps, or Sophie’s car. If Bailey was allowed access to the crime scene, any DNA evidence taken from there must be unsafe. And bearing in mind the police seem to have mislaid the blood-smeared gate, what reliance could be placed on any chain of evidence?

The French conviction was based on little or no evidence that would stand up in an Irish court of law. I think I’m right in saying the prosecution presented Marie Farrell’s original evidence without mentioning that she had subsequently retracted it.

Thee was a wine bottle which was recovered near the scene but not at it. It could have only been left by the killer. There were other items which are not publicly known.

As for the French court it ranks higher in judicial fairness than Ireland, so I’m not sure where the assumption comes from that somehow the Irish courts would not have accepted certain evidence. It never had the luxury of reaching a court thanks to the DPP. He is free only on a technicality which is Ireland does not recognise convictions in absentia. It’s why he never went to France - his lawyers knew he would get cover.

Ireland has one last shot to put its house in order or it will go through the ECJ and the local law will be over-ruled by the EU.

There are reams of evidence that were available to the French courts which were made available to the Irish police - who did not (as far as I’m aware) decide to make use of any of it.

Mairead Farrell is a liar and her testimony either way should never have been considered I agree.

[MrBarnett]

I watched the documentaries a while back and already some of the details are a bit hazy. As far as I remember, the French prosecution presented largely hearsay evidence. Bailey allegedly told a neighbour’s teenaged son, “I went up there with a rock and bashed her f***ing brains in," and the boy’s mother appeared in court in Paris to repeat what her son had told her 23 (?) years previously. Bailey claims he told the boy that other people were saying he had “bashed her brains in.”

It’s little wonder that Ireland has rejected French attempts to have Bailey extradited.

I think Marie Farrell’s ID of Bailey outside her shop and at Kealfadda bridge was the strongest evidence the French prosecution presented. But she has since recanted, saying the Irish police pressured her to ID Bailey. As a result, she is totally discredited as a witness. I doubt she’d even be called as a prosecution witness at an Irish trial

[MrBarnett]

Thee was a wine bottle which was recovered near the scene but not at it. It could have only been left by the killer. There were other items which are not publicly known.

As for the French court it ranks higher in judicial fairness than Ireland, so I’m not sure where the assumption comes from that somehow the Irish courts would not have accepted certain evidence. It never had the luxury of reaching a court thanks to the DPP. He is free only on a technicality which is Ireland does not recognise convictions in absentia. It’s why he never went to France - his lawyers knew he would get cover.

Ireland has one last shot to put its house in order or it will go through the ECJ and the local law will be over-ruled by the EU.

There are reams of evidence that were available to the French courts which were made available to the Irish police - who did not (as far as I’m aware) decide to make use of any of it.

Mairead Farrell is a liar and her testimony either way should never have been considered I agree.

The only person who could have left the bottle was the killer? That’s interesting. How so?

[MrBarnett]

Was man B the one whom the Irish police allegedly paid in drugs and money to get information out of Bailey while they were in a cell together?

https://www.southernstar.ie/news/a-s...murder-4233025