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  • #91
    Originally posted by Elamarna View Post

    i misread the original, sorry.
    Yes so let me correct, shortest routes only this time

    At 3.5mph it's between 19 and 22 minutes from Browns yard to Eldon street entrance at Pickfords

    At 5mph it's between a shade under 14 - about 15 minutes

    David Orsam said he managed it via Hanbury Street in 13 minutes 30 seconds

    Sorry for that.

    Steve
    Hi Steve,

    Did you establish that Pickfords used the Eldon Street entrance as opposed to the one on Liverpool Street? I remember that being discussed at one time, but I can’t recall if a definitive (or most likely) answer was ever reached.

    I once found an online reference to a worker connected to Broad Street Station who had died while at stables in Primrose Street. I tried to follow it up in the hope of discovering whether the man was an LNWR employee or Pickfords/Carter Patterson, but had no success.

    Gary

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    • #92
      Originally posted by MrBarnett View Post

      Hi Steve,

      Did you establish that Pickfords used the Eldon Street entrance as opposed to the one on Liverpool Street? I remember that being discussed at one time, but I can’t recall if a definitive (or most likely) answer was ever reached.

      I once found an online reference to a worker connected to Broad Street Station who had died while at stables in Primrose Street. I tried to follow it up in the hope of discovering whether the man was an LNWR employee or Pickfords/Carter Patterson, but had no success.

      Gary
      unfortunatly i could not confirm any of the other possible enterances, there were a couple, mentioned.
      all of those are a shorter distance , if memory recalls , so Eldon gives the longest distance. so safest to use.
      all of the alternatives are looked at in appendix 1, table 3 of inside Bucks Row.

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      • #93
        I tried to check out the Primrose Street story when I first saw it and I believe there were stables nearer Norton Folgate, not connected to the railway, so it might have been there. I don't recall him mentioning they were railway connected, but was a long time ago.

        There was an entrance in Applod Street and two on Worship street. There's couple more I found, but I don't know if they were in1888 or not.

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        • #94
          Interestingly, when i went on a trainspotters site, a guy said the meat yards for Broad Street were in the Worship Street depot, but he didn't know when that first started. With all your meat contemplations over the years have you heard anything about that?
          dustymiller
          aka drstrange

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          • #95
            The Eldon Street entrance was where the carts went in and out. It was really dangerous for pedestrians, so much so that someone took the company to court over it. The judge recommended that the company should look into building another entrance, but I could find out whether anything came of it. that was in the early 1880's I can't remember the exact date off hand.
            dustymiller
            aka drstrange

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            • #96
              If Lechmere went to Worship Street, going down Hanbury Street makes perfect sense. Montague would be well out of his way.
              dustymiller
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              • #97
                I knew I had one somewhere, here's a photo has the main Worship St entrance Click image for larger version

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                • #98
                  Originally posted by drstrange169 View Post
                  I tried to check out the Primrose Street story when I first saw it and I believe there were stables nearer Norton Folgate, not connected to the railway, so it might have been there. I don't recall him mentioning they were railway connected, but was a long time ago.

                  There was an entrance in Applod Street and two on Worship street. There's couple more I found, but I don't know if they were in1888 or not.

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                  Hi Dusty,

                  I think I saw the Primrose Street Story on a Broad Street Station site/thread. I can’t remember now if it was explicitly stated that the deceased was personally connected to the Station.

                  Gary

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                  • #99
                    Originally posted by Elamarna View Post

                    unfortunatly i could not confirm any of the other possible enterances, there were a couple, mentioned.
                    all of those are a shorter distance , if memory recalls , so Eldon gives the longest distance. so safest to use.
                    all of the alternatives are looked at in appendix 1, table 3 of inside Bucks Row.
                    Thanks, Steve.

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                      Originally posted by drstrange169 View Post
                      The Eldon Street entrance was where the carts went in and out. It was really dangerous for pedestrians, so much so that someone took the company to court over it. The judge recommended that the company should look into building another entrance, but I could find out whether anything came of it. that was in the early 1880's I can't remember the exact date off hand.

                      I think we may have discussed this before, and if so and I’ve forgotten your response, apologies!

                      What do you think was the purpose of the LNWR Goods Station (Broad Street) entrance from Liverpool Street?

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                      • Originally posted by drstrange169 View Post
                        Interestingly, when i went on a trainspotters site, a guy said the meat yards for Broad Street were in the Worship Street depot, but he didn't know when that first started. With all your meat contemplations over the years have you heard anything about that?
                        No I haven’t. It may be have been that butcher’s and knacker’s meat were handled separately and you may remember the press account of a cart loaded with horseflesh in Liverpool Street.

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                        • Anyone who's got the book can look at times from Doveton to some of those entrances.
                          I didn't include worship street, but I can add that to the next update perhaps.

                          Steve
                          Last edited by Elamarna; 08-06-2021, 12:56 PM.

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                          • Factual answer about Liverpool Street ... no idea.
                            Guess answer ... drop of/pick up area.

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                            • Click image for larger version  Name:	A596F517-2EFB-4508-929C-516A40FB4747.jpeg Views:	0 Size:	94.2 KB ID:	764824 Hi Thanks Dusty.

                              It’s marked as a goods yard on one map I’ve seen, and goods station on another. The person who posted the photo above described it as being of the ‘stables’ at Broad Street.
                              Last edited by MrBarnett; 08-07-2021, 06:53 AM.

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                              • The bottom of my picture of that states it's a "frieght station", which is why I think it might be for pick up and drop off for non Pickfords/Chaplin and Horne carts. Definitely not stables as there are rail cars in them.

                                dustymiller
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