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  • Joshua Rogan
    Assistant Commissioner
    • Jul 2015
    • 3205

    #16
    According to the National Archives site, this photo is of a Jacob Minsky at 32 Christian St. No date is given. However there is apparently another photo featuring him at a workshop in the same street, dated circa 1910.

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    • Joshua Rogan
      Assistant Commissioner
      • Jul 2015
      • 3205

      #17
      Originally posted by The Station Cat View Post
      Something else that I wasn't aware of. I wonder whether that's the man himself outside the shop?
      As just posted, this doesn't appear to be Julius but Jacob Minsky. Might be related though; if the 1910 date is correct, perhaps his son?

      Is there a list of members of the Berner Street club? I wonder whether any Ritzler's were members? I believe they came from Germany originally. But I'm not sure whether they were Jewish or not.
      I did once try to compile a list of those mentioned in the press as being members, but it's far from definitive, or complete. I don't think there were any Ritzlers though.

      General discussion about anything Ripper related that does not fall into a specific sub-category. On topic-Ripper related posts only.

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      • MrBarnett
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        • Nov 2013
        • 5672

        #18
        Originally posted by Joshua Rogan View Post
        As just posted, this doesn't appear to be Julius but Jacob Minsky. Might be related though; if the 1910 date is correct, perhaps his son?



        I did once try to compile a list of those mentioned in the press as being members, but it's far from definitive, or complete. I don't think there were any Ritzlers though.

        https://forum.casebook.org/showthrea...hlight=Members
        Jacob was certainly there in 1911. Aged 34, so unlikely to have been running a business in 1888.

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        • Robert
          Commissioner
          • Feb 2008
          • 5163

          #19
          Jacob died in 1924, but seems to have lingered in the directories until at least 1938.

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          • Robert
            Commissioner
            • Feb 2008
            • 5163

            #20
            Here's the other pic. I guess Jacob would be at the back on the left.

            https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=...mofsky&f=false

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            • MrBarnett
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              • Nov 2013
              • 5672

              #21
              Rob,

              Was it a trimmings shop at the front and a workshop at the rear, do you think?

              Gary

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              • Robert
                Commissioner
                • Feb 2008
                • 5163

                #22
                I have no idea, Gary. All I know of tailoring is that trousers ride up with wear, supposedly.

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                • MrBarnett
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                  • Nov 2013
                  • 5672

                  #23
                  Originally posted by Robert View Post
                  I have no idea, Gary. All I know of tailoring is that trousers ride up with wear, supposedly.
                  There are no flies on you.

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                  • MrBarnett
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                    • Nov 2013
                    • 5672

                    #24
                    According to Booth's researcher in June, 1887, the occupier of 36, Berner Street was a railway carman who had 'been laid up for some time'. William Mortimer died in March, 1889, aged 49, so he may well have been continuously ill between 87 and his death.
                    Last edited by MrBarnett; 12-16-2018, 06:08 AM.

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                    • MrBarnett
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                      • Nov 2013
                      • 5672

                      #25
                      Originally posted by MrBarnett View Post
                      According to Booth's researcher in June, 1887, the occupier of 36, Berner Street was a railway carman who had 'been laid up for some time'. William Mortimer died in March, 1889, aged 49, so he may well have been continuously ill between 87 and his death.
                      Working for the LNWR’s main agent, Charles Lechmere was also a ‘railway carman’. Perhaps he and Bill were ex-colleagues/mates and CAL occasionally popped in with a few grapes to cheer his old mucker up.��
                      Last edited by MrBarnett; 12-16-2018, 06:12 AM.

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                      • Joshua Rogan
                        Assistant Commissioner
                        • Jul 2015
                        • 3205

                        #26
                        Originally posted by MrBarnett View Post
                        Was it a trimmings shop at the front and a workshop at the rear, do you think?
                        Here's the blurb from the NA website;

                        "Tailor's workshop of Harris Chaimofsky, Christian Street, London, c.1910. Harris Chaimofsky is at the right. Standing at the back (left) is Jacob Minsky, visiting the workshop at the time the picture was taken"

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                        • MrBarnett
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                          • Nov 2013
                          • 5672

                          #27
                          Originally posted by Joshua Rogan View Post
                          Here's the blurb from the NA website;

                          "Tailor's workshop of Harris Chaimofsky, Christian Street, London, c.1910. Harris Chaimofsky is at the right. Standing at the back (left) is Jacob Minsky, visiting the workshop at the time the picture was taken"
                          Ah, so it’s his neighbour’s workshop? Perhaps it was the Minsky family who donated both photos to the NA.

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                          • Robert
                            Commissioner
                            • Feb 2008
                            • 5163

                            #28
                            After William's death, Fanny Mortimer nee Skipp married David Piggott in 1893. By 1901 she's a widow and living with her son John Mortimer. Ditto 1911. I think she died 1918.

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                            • MrBarnett
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                              • Nov 2013
                              • 5672

                              #29
                              Originally posted by Robert View Post
                              After William's death, Fanny Mortimer nee Skipp married David Piggott in 1893. By 1901 she's a widow and living with her son John Mortimer. Ditto 1911. I think she died 1918.
                              She moved to Poplar and was living on her own means by 1901.

                              Where was she in ‘91?

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                              • Robert
                                Commissioner
                                • Feb 2008
                                • 5163

                                #30
                                36 Berner St (F Mortimer).

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