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  • Geddy2112
    Inspector
    • Dec 2015
    • 1328

    #151
    Originally posted by Newbie View Post
    Few instances period in which a newspaper mentioned the article of clothing of a witness at inquests - only victims.
    Au contraire...

    The East London Observer, which provided a lot of description compared to the other newspapers we have the following descriptions of inquest attire.

    "Before the coroner sat the woman who had identified the deceased as Martha Turner, with a baby in her arms, and accompanied by another woman - evidently her mother - dressed in an old, brown figured pompadour.” - Tabram Inquest

    "The first witness called was a Mrs. Elizabeth Mahoney - a young woman of some 25 or 26 years, plainly clad in a rusty-black dress, with a black woollen shawl pinned round her shoulders." - Tabram Inquest

    "Alfred George Crow was the next witness. In appearance, he was a young man of about twenty-three or four, with closely cropped hair, and a beardless, but intelligent face, and wore a shabby green overcoat." - Tabram Inquest

    "Mary Ann Connolly, otherwise known as "Pearly Poll", was next introduced, wearing simply an old green shawl and no hat, her face being reddened and soddened by drink." - Tabram Inquest

    " Amelia Palmer, the next witness, a pale dark-haired woman, who was poorly clad, said: I live at 35, Dorset-street, Spitalfields, a common lodging-house." - Chapman Inquest

    "The next witness was James Cable, a man from Shadwell. A youngish-looking man, with a bullet head and closely cropped hair, and a sandy close-cut moustache; he wore a long overcoat that had once been green, and into the pockets of which he persistently stuck his hands." - Chapman Inquest

    "Her evidence was not very material, and she was soon replaced by John Richardson, a tall, stout man, with a very pale face - the result, doubtless, of the early hours he keeps as a market porter - a brown moustache, and dark brown hair. He was shabbily dressed in a ragged coat, and dark brown trousers." - Chapman Inquest

    "Piser wore a dark overcoat, brown trousers, and a brown and very battered hat, and appeared somewhat splay-footed - at all events, he stood before the Coroner with his feet meeting at the heels and then diverging almost at right angles." - Chapman Inquest

    ...you're welcome

    "The Lechmere theory never shoehorns facts. It deals in facts."

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    • FrankO
      Superintendent
      • Feb 2008
      • 2109

      #152
      [QUOTE=Geddy2112;n856759]

      They do not work as you need to share the drive so to speak.

      Even using the rather inaccurate Google Maps - we have three routes ALL saying 1.5 miles. Astonishing.
      Here are the measurements I did a number of years back, Ian. There's about 60 metres between one Hanbury Street route and the Old Montague route.

      Click image for larger version  Name:	ordinance map 1894 including HS & OMS routes I.jpg Views:	0 Size:	209.3 KB ID:	856769

      All of these routes assume that Cross/Lechmere entered the Broad Street Good's depot at the entrance in Eldon Street, while we don't know for a fact that this was the only entrance.

      Cheers,
      Frank

      PS It was about 880 metres from Doveton to the meeting point with Mizen and about 300 m from the crossing of Bishopsgate/Liverpool Street to the entrance in Eldon St.
      Last edited by FrankO; Today, 10:27 AM.
      "You can rob me, you can starve me and you can beat me and you can kill me. Just don't bore me."
      Clint Eastwood as Gunny in "Heartbreak Ridge"

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      • Geddy2112
        Inspector
        • Dec 2015
        • 1328

        #153
        [QUOTE=FrankO;n856764]
        Originally posted by Geddy2112 View Post
        Here are the measurements I did a number of years back, Ian. There's about 60 metres between one Hanbury Street route and the Old Montague route.
        Many thanks Like I said previously the distance in the two routes Hanbury and Old Monty Street is negligible and both approx 30 mins for a 3.1 mph walking speed. Which nicely ties in with a 'about 3:30am' for Cross to be leaving home like he said.

        "The Lechmere theory never shoehorns facts. It deals in facts."

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        • Fiver
          Assistant Commissioner
          • Oct 2019
          • 3344

          #154
          Originally posted by Newbie View Post
          A quick check on Lech's Hanbury route to work using google map and I got roughly 2.1 miles.
          Very different from the 1.55 mile version.

          Anyways, its about a half mile longer than the Old Montague route to work
          Here's Bing - 1.7 miles, 32 minutes, best route is Hanbury Street.

          Here's Google Maps - 1.7 miles, 38 minutes, best route is Hanbury Street.

          How do you get 2.1 miles and Old Montague?


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