Why Buck's Row?

[jerryd]

Sounds like Browne and Eagle used Holland and Hannen for different construction jobs since at least 1875. Browne and Eagle had another site in 1875 on Great Alie Street that Holland and Hannen built a chimney-shaft for. They also did work in the British Museum in 1891.

Holland and Hannen were an approved government contractor in 1888 and did work on the new police building in Woolwich in 1908. Maybe they were involved in the construction of New Scotland Yard? Should we be looking for a construction worker, working for Holland and Hannen, who, at the very least, may have dumped two torsos (Pinchin and Whitehall).

[jerryd]

https://surveyoflondon.org/map/features/tagged/Browne%20Eagle/

I believe this was the first of the two warehouses belonging to Browne and Eagle. During the Pinchin Street investigation a blood stained piece of cloth was found in Hooper Street. The other warehouse would later be between Forbes and Backchurch Lane; Ellen and Pinchin.

[Joshua Rogan]

It certainly does, this sounds very interesting.
Joshua and i spent a whole afternoon this year ruling out a tea warehouse in buck row, we never considered, well i certainly did not, looking at what was there and seeing if there were any links to other points of interest.

Yeah, we missed a trick there Steve. Either that, or someone was pulling the wool over our eyes...

Anyway, there does seem to be a warehouse connection, whatever they stored. Although I suspect it could be the same connection as the railway connection.... Warehouses generally being situated near railway lines.

[Joshua Rogan]

The article does appear to have both buildings built in 1889, but, it still peaks my interest a lot.

Another website has the two built "between the late 1880's and the turn of the century". I'm not sure how long it took the Victorians to throw up a couple of warehouses, and also not sure if the date given refers to the official opening date or the laying of the first stone, or somewhere between. They could have been building sites...like the New Scotlad Yard building?
Is it my imagination, or does the 1890 Goad map show the warehouse in place opposite the archway, but the (I think) 1894 OS map still shows housing?

[Elamarna]

Most intriguing...but according to this site, the first of the warehouses in Backchurch Lane weren't built until 1889. Too late for Stride, but maybe ok for the Pinchin St torso...?

http://theloom-e1.com/building/the-history/

well spotted

Steve

[Elamarna]

Funny, Joshua.

After further review, one of the Browne and Eagle warehouses at 74 Backchurch Lane appears to have been directly across the street from the Pinchin arch. Two bodies found directly across from a Browne and Eagle wool warehouse.

See post #4 (Edward Stow) for Goad map showing the warehouse. http://www.jtrforums.com/showthread.php?t=12731. It was indeed, RIGHT across the street from where the torso was deposited in Pinchin street. The plot thickens!

It certainly does, this sounds very interesting.
Joshua and i spent a whole afternoon this year ruling out a tea warehouse in buck row, we never considered, well i certainly did not, looking at what was there and seeing if there were any links to other points of interest.


steve

[jerryd]

The article does appear to have both buildings built in 1889, but, it still peaks my interest a lot.

[jerryd]

Most intriguing...but according to this site, the first of the warehouses in Backchurch Lane weren't built until 1889. Too late for Stride, but maybe ok for the Pinchin St torso...?

http://theloom-e1.com/building/the-history/

The 1889 building was at 101 Backchurch Lane on the west side of the road and slightly north.

[Joshua Rogan]

Most intriguing...but according to this site, the first of the warehouses in Backchurch Lane weren't built until 1889. Too late for Stride, but maybe ok for the Pinchin St torso...?

http://theloom-e1.com/building/the-history/

[jerryd]

Wool warehouses, eh....are you thinking Jack was some sort of confused sheep shearer...Jack the Clipper?

Funny, Joshua.

After further review, one of the Browne and Eagle warehouses at 74 Backchurch Lane appears to have been directly across the street from the Pinchin arch. Two bodies found directly across from a Browne and Eagle wool warehouse.

See post #4 (Edward Stow) for Goad map showing the warehouse. http://www.jtrforums.com/showthread.php?t=12731. It was indeed, RIGHT across the street from where the torso was deposited in Pinchin street. The plot thickens!

[Joshua Rogan]

Wool warehouses, eh....are you thinking Jack was some sort of confused sheep shearer...Jack the Clipper?

[jerryd]

The Backchurch Lane location had two warehouses (directly across the street from each other) with a tunnel under the road and 3 bridges linking them.

[jerryd]

Jerry

do we know if anyone we know is linked to them at all?

might be worth a check i guess?


Steve

As of yet, no Steve. Israel Schwartz basically ran right toward the warehouse in Backchurch Lane after his witness of the Stride murder, though. Can't help think of Astrachan man, either. Maybe he was a wool merchant?

Somebody in the warehouse could easily observe the habits of the police beats and Lechmere/Paul's timing to work in the early hours, too.

[Elamarna]

I've had a similar thought, lately. The Browne and Eagle wool warehouse was located across the street from the Nichols crime scene. They also had warehouses in Backchurch Lane near the corner of Ellen Street and Backchurch Lane. This would be close to the crime scenes of Stride and the Pinchin torso.

Jerry

do we know if anyone we know is linked to them at all?

might be worth a check i guess?


Steve

[jerryd]

Is it possible that the murderer only felt confident enough to carry out the attack because he was very close to his place of residence, and could be home within a matter of seconds of committing the murder?

I've had a similar thought, lately. The Browne and Eagle wool warehouse was located across the street from the Nichols crime scene. They also had warehouses in Backchurch Lane near the corner of Ellen Street and Backchurch Lane. This would be close to the crime scenes of Stride and the Pinchin torso.