Why Buck's Row?

[Henry Flower]

That's all wonderful supposition Pierre, but it doesn't get you past the awkward fact that a cover-up must've taken place at all levels, and must've been something that many would've been made aware of.

Is that what you contend?

[Pierre]

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He would know that this man was not one of the team, This was before officers from other areas had been drafted in.

And would a policeman from another part of the country expect to be stopped and questioned, and if he did, would he expect to be able to convince the police questioning him that he had nothing to do with the crime?

How could we answer such difficult questions about "expectiations" without speculations?

Could it be answered by the statements if Mizen and Arnold, who were not policemen questioning someone but speaking to someone dressed as a policeman?

In this case why would he be viewed as being "reliable", he would be in the wrong place, with no reason to be there.

Everyone who was at a place had a reason to be there. Would it be easier for a policeman to explain his reason than for anyone else?

It would be spoken about.

Yes, indeed. Spoken about on the street to Mizen, later changed at an inquest, perhaps (!) silenced at an inquest and after that spoken about at a newspaper and later changed when witness was questioned by the police!.

Regards, Pierre

[Elamarna]

Not a matter of "covering up", just a matter of ignoring "reliable" persons.

After all, people have always wondered how he could manage to escape.

He would know that this man was not one of the team, This was before officers from other areas had been drafted in.

In this case why would he be viewed as being "reliable", he would be in the wrong place, with no reason to be there.

It would be spoken about.


Steve

[Hair Bear]

Possibly, and other patrolling policemen, but it wouldn`t have mattered if Mizen was unaware of the body in Bucks Row.

My point is that once Mizen was told there was a body, had someone passed him just prior to Cross and Paul appearing on the scene, he would have recounted it. Since he didn't, I'm assuming that nobody passed him (hence my belief that the Ripper returned the Whitechapel Road).

[Pierre]

Nice try to turn it to your advantage, and push your ideas.

However, if he were dressed in the fashion you believe he was, that would highlight him to others of the same profession, another police official passing Mizen lets say, on his beat, but one not known to Mizen as a local officer/official, that is after all what you believe, that he was not a London man, be that City or Met..


That leads to the conclusion that not only senior officers covered up, but lower ones as well.

Steve

Not a matter of "covering up", just a matter of ignoring "reliable" persons.

After all, people have always wondered how he could manage to escape.

[Elamarna]

Or if he was dressed in a specific type of dress.

Nice try to turn it to your advantage, and push your ideas.

However, if he were dressed in the fashion you believe he was, that would highlight him to others of the same profession, another police official passing Mizen lets say, on his beat, but one not known to Mizen as a local officer/official, that is after all what you believe, that he was not a London man, be that City or Met..


That leads to the conclusion that not only senior officers covered up, but lower ones as well.



Steve

[Pierre]

Possibly, and other patrolling policemen, but it wouldn`t have mattered if Mizen was unaware of the body in Bucks Row.

Or if he was dressed in a specific type of dress.

[Jon Guy]

Wouldn't that have taken him past Mizen?

Possibly, and other patrolling policemen, but it wouldn`t have mattered if Mizen was unaware of the body in Bucks Row.

[Hair Bear]

Interesting post.
I think that from the Bakers Row/ Whites Row area the Ripper walked up Hanbury Street.
For the obvious reason that a week later and at about that time he was to be found at the top of end of Hanbury Street, where he met Chapman.

Wouldn't that have taken him past Mizen?

[Pcdunn]

As I'm sure you are aware, some would argue that Stride was actually killed by someone other than the Ripper.

Some do, yes. The police of the time thought she was a Ripper victim.

[Jon Guy]

I like to think that it wasn't near his place of residence (though concede I may be wrong). I also like the blitz-style attack, but I'm not so sure. Nichols known movements place her further West of the crime scene. It's also clear that she touted for business along Whitechapel road. I get the impression that her plan was to repeatedly wander East along Whitechapel and then back again, only moving off Whitechapel once she was at Osborn Street. I think she met the Ripper whilst she was as far East as she was moving, and they walked to Buck's Row. Notice that the murder took place in front of the gates and not a house. I think that they walked to that point, and the Ripper would have looked behind him towards White's Row, looked in front of him towards Brady street, have seen nobody, so then decided to kill her.

He then took off back towards White's Row, escaping down the street they probably came up (Court), at which point Cross was entering Buck's Row.

Interesting post.
I think that from the Bakers Row/ Whites Row area the Ripper walked up Hanbury Street.
For the obvious reason that a week later and at about that time he was to be found at the top of end of Hanbury Street, where he met Chapman.

[Hair Bear]

The location of the first canonical murder has always slightly puzzled me.
The murder of Nichols has all the characteristics of a "blitz" attack.

The attack was carried out in the middle of a street with a very real chance of being seen by local residents, people coming to and from work at all hours of the day.

Is it possible that the murderer only felt confident enough to carry out the attack because he was very close to his place of residence, and could be home within a matter of seconds of committing the murder?

I like to think that it wasn't near his place of residence (though concede I may be wrong). I also like the blitz-style attack, but I'm not so sure. Nichols known movements place her further West of the crime scene. It's also clear that she touted for business along Whitechapel road. I get the impression that her plan was to repeatedly wander East along Whitechapel and then back again, only moving off Whitechapel once she was at Osborn Street. I think she met the Ripper whilst she was as far East as she was moving, and they walked to Buck's Row. Notice that the murder took place in front of the gates and not a house. I think that they walked to that point, and the Ripper would have looked behind him towards White's Row, looked in front of him towards Brady street, have seen nobody, so then decided to kill her. He then took off back towards White's Row, escaping down the street they probably came up (Court), at which point Cross was entering Buck's Row.

[Hair Bear]

I suppose I need to return to the books and study more, Hair Bear. I do know there is an infernal lot of discussion about how Liz Stride was attacked on this site, but you did say "general MO."

As I'm sure you are aware, some would argue that Stride was actually killed by someone other than the Ripper.

[jerryd]

Jerry

do we know if anyone we know is linked to them at all?

might be worth a check i guess?


Steve

Sadler said he worked at Browne and Eagle in Buck's Row but the firm did not have knowledge of it.

[Pcdunn]

On the contrary, his general MO was to first strangle from the front until dead or near dead, then slash their throat - hence the lack of arterial spray - and then mutilate.

I suppose I need to return to the books and study more, Hair Bear. I do know there is an infernal lot of discussion about how Liz Stride was attacked on this site, but you did say "general MO."