Why Buck's Row?

[David Orsam]

I don't recall Amelia Palmer telling the inquest that Annie Chapman was a prostitute.

So perhaps, rather than ignoring my previous post, perhaps you can tell us what you think Ms Farmer meant when she said this about Chapman:

"...she was not very particular what she did to earn a living and at times used to remain out very late at night...the last five years she had been living an irregular life."

[David Orsam]

Annie Chapman. Not Richard Pigott.

They're two different people, one of whom was a woman.

Oh, it looks like you have been hitting the bottle tonight. That post doesn't seem to have any meaning.

[Simon Wood]

Hi David,

Annie Chapman. Not Richard Pigott.

They're two different people, one of whom was a woman.

Regards,

Simon

[David Orsam]

Because you would have found the section in my book which deals with Annie Chapman possibly having been carried into the back yard.

Yes, Simon, I'm perfectly aware of that section. Might I suggest that it is you who has not been reading my posts properly?

I haven't denied that you included this in your book. All I have said on the subject was this:

"In view of the evidence of her friend, Ameila Farmer, it doesn't matter for the purpose of this discussion exactly where Annie Chapman was murdered, for she was obviously a prostitute."

Back on the Sanatogen wine this evening are we, Simon?

[Herlock Sholmes]

I know that opinion is divided on Tabram but I'm currently reading The Bank Holiday Murders and Ann Morriss, Martha's ex sister-in-law, said she knew Martha to have been "a heavy drinker and a prostitute."

[David Orsam]

As for the notion that I haven't read Simon's book, I produce the below exchange from the "Suicide of Pigott" thread as Exhibit A to show that I have actually read it more carefully than Simon himself:

Simon Wood: as Sir Charles Russell was expecting Pigott to reappear at the Special Commission on Tuesday 26th February 1889, one might have thought that the two Irish police officers, Head Constable Gallagher and Sergeant Faussett, would have done a better job of keeping a watch on him.

David Orsam: Gallagher and Faussett were not were not employed to "keep a watch" on Pigott. They were employed by the Times to stop people interfering with him (at his hotel). They had no instructions to follow him around London, let alone the country. They were not keeping him under 24 hour surveillance as you seem to think (and have said in your book).

Simon Wood:[quoting me]"They were not keeping him under 24 hour surveillance as you seem to think (and have said in your book)."

I wrote no such thing in my book.

David Orsam: So what did you mean in your book when you said that Pigott:

"whilst under twenty-four hour surveillance by two officers from the Royal Irish Constabulary, fled to Madrid"?

Simon Wood: [No comment]

David Orsam: Can I take it that you've abandoned your claim that you "wrote no such thing in your book" when I said that you wrote that Pigott was being kept under 24 hour surveillance by the RUC?

Simon Wood: - yes indeed.

I'd probably had too much Sanatogen.

[Simon Wood]

Hi David,

Because you would have found the section in my book which deals with Annie Chapman possibly having been carried into the back yard.

I don't recall Amelia Palmer telling the inquest that Annie Chapman was a prostitute. "She used to do crochet work, make antimacassars, and sell flowers."

Also, after careful consideration, I have deduced that I am spelling the second part of your username correctly, as was your intention.

Regards,

Simon

[David Orsam]

David,

How do you deduce that MJK made her living?

You know what Herlock, I can't work it out, perhaps Simon will explain it to us.

[David Orsam]

Hi All,

Pens down, boys and girls. Close your books. Pay attention.

Mr. Awesome is here to tell us what's what.

But it's becoming increasingly obvious that Mr. Awesome has not read my book.

I have now read all three versions of your book Simon.

If, rather than acting mysterious (as usual), you could reveal why you think it is becoming "increasingly obvious" that I haven't read your book, I'm sure I can easily put your mind at rest.

And I see that you have reverted to your childish habit of misspelling the second part of my username; a sure sign that you are rattled.

[Herlock Sholmes]

To which we can add the statement of Joseph Barnett: "I have lived with her altogether about 18 months...until last Tuesday week when in consequence of...her resorting to prostitution, I resolved on leaving her...She also told me that she had obtained her livelihood as a prostitute for some considerable time before I took her from the streets."

David,

How do you deduce that MJK made her living?

[Simon Wood]

Hi All,

Pens down, boys and girls. Close your books. Pay attention.

Mr. Awesome is here to tell us what's what.

But it's becoming increasingly obvious that Mr. Awesome has not read my book.

Regards,

Simon

[David Orsam]

About MJK not being a prostitute:

Lizzie Albrook said, speaking of Kelly: "...and warned me against going on the streets as she had done."

Elizabeth Foster: "She was as nice a woman as one could find, and although she was an unfortunate,..."

Julia Venturney: "I have heard him (Barnett) say that he didn't like her going out on the streets."

I think we see a pattern here....

To which we can add the statement of Joseph Barnett: "I have lived with her altogether about 18 months...until last Tuesday week when in consequence of...her resorting to prostitution, I resolved on leaving her...She also told me that she had obtained her livelihood as a prostitute for some considerable time before I took her from the streets."

[Herlock Sholmes]

Also with regard to Chapman John Richardson said that he'd had cause to turn men and women out of the passageway in the past. This was obviously a regularly used haunt for prostitutes.

About MJK not being a prostitute:

Lizzie Albrook said, speaking of Kelly: "...and warned me against going on the streets as she had done."

Elizabeth Foster: "She was as nice a woman as one could find, and although she was an unfortunate,..."

Julia Venturney: "I have heard him (Barnett) say that he didn't like her going out on the streets."

I think we see a pattern here....

[David Orsam]

Forgive a spot of self-publicity, but there is a section in the revised edition of my book which deals with the subject of Annie Chapman possibly being carried into the back yard of 29 Hanbury Street.

In view of the evidence of her friend, Ameila Farmer, it doesn't matter for the purpose of this discussion exactly where Annie Chapman was murdered, for she was obviously a prostitute.

[Joshua Rogan]

I can't recall anyone at the time thinking that she'd been carried into the yard at Hanbury St

Dr Phillips didn't think so, according to the Telegraph;

"In your opinion did she enter the yard alive? - I am positive of it. I made a thorough search of the passage, and I saw no trace of blood, which must have been visible had she been taken into the yard."