Why Buck's Row?

[YomRippur]

All murder sites, except Mary Kelly's home, were relatively high-risk, exposed public areas. All the prostitutes, except Kelly, had no homes to take their clients to, and had to conduct their business in public places. Of course, the killer could have chosen prostitutes who had homes, like Kelly. But perhaps the killer didn't mind so much the possibility of getting caught, which is an important characteristic for possible profiling.

[Sam Flynn]

I am going up there for a weeks´ fishing; sofa-table size halibut, 40 pound cod and a large number of other species, all surrounded by beautiful mountainsides... And best of all, I am bringing my son along. If I have any problems reeling in the big´uns, I can always turn to him.

You'd eat your son? You **** ghoul!



(Happy hols, Fish )

[Elamarna]

Elamarna:

Why do you feel the need to distance yourself from so much.
You appear to be saying that it's not you view, but that of Llewellyn, that's fine.. However you make it clear that you believe much if not all of what he says, indeed in this post you say you put stock in what he says.

So it's really very simple, do you think the abdomenial wounds were first?

Only 3 answers: Yes, No or Don't know.

I do not distance myself at all. I don´t think claiming things as facts is sound when it cannot be done. That is not distancing myself, it is being realistic and truthful.

You say there can be only three answers. But I need to employ two of them to be honest:

Yes, I think the abdominal wounds were first. But no, I do not know it.

That is how I do it, and frankly, I do not see how it can be done in any other way.

And Christer I agree we cannot be sure. However you do believe it, so I fail to see the distinction you make. Maybe it's a language thing.


Have a good time


Steve

[Abby Normal]

It is a stunning country, Abby. In hope you get the chance to visit it some time. Me, I am going up there for a weeks´ fishing; sofa-table size halibut, 40 pound cod and a large number of other species, all surrounded by beatiful mountainsides diving down into the fiord, circling sea eagles, a lot of moose and numerous species of whales, such as killer whales and sperm whales. And best of all, I am bringing my son along. If I have any problems reeling in the big´uns, I can always turn to him. Reaching six foot five and weighing in at around 250 pounds, he´s gonna be a challenge for the fish...

Over and out now!

he'll fit right in with all the Vikings-Good luck have fun Fish!

[Pierre]

Elamarna:

Why do you feel the need to distance yourself from so much.
You appear to be saying that it's not you view, but that of Llewellyn, that's fine.. However you make it clear that you believe much if not all of what he says, indeed in this post you say you put stock in what he says.

So it's really very simple, do you think the abdomenial wounds were first?

Only 3 answers: Yes, No or Don't know.

I do not distance myself at all. I don´t think claiming things as facts is sound when it cannot be done. That is not distancing myself, it is being realistic and truthful.

You say there can be only three answers. But I need to employ two of them to be honest:

Yes, I think the abdominal wounds were first. But no, I do not know it.

That is how I do it, and frankly, I do not see how it can be done in any other way.

Why don´t you use the quote function, Fisherman.

[Fisherman]

Hi Fish
enjoy your trip-Norway is the home of my ancestors and Ive always wanted to visit.

It is a stunning country, Abby. In hope you get the chance to visit it some time. Me, I am going up there for a weeks´ fishing; sofa-table size halibut, 40 pound cod and a large number of other species, all surrounded by beatiful mountainsides diving down into the fiord, circling sea eagles, a lot of moose and numerous species of whales, such as killer whales and sperm whales. And best of all, I am bringing my son along. If I have any problems reeling in the big´uns, I can always turn to him. Reaching six foot five and weighing in at around 250 pounds, he´s gonna be a challenge for the fish...

Over and out now!

[Fisherman]

Elamarna:

Why do you feel the need to distance yourself from so much.
You appear to be saying that it's not you view, but that of Llewellyn, that's fine.. However you make it clear that you believe much if not all of what he says, indeed in this post you say you put stock in what he says.

So it's really very simple, do you think the abdomenial wounds were first?

Only 3 answers: Yes, No or Don't know.

I do not distance myself at all. I don´t think claiming things as facts is sound when it cannot be done. That is not distancing myself, it is being realistic and truthful.

You say there can be only three answers. But I need to employ two of them to be honest:

Yes, I think the abdominal wounds were first. But no, I do not know it.

That is how I do it, and frankly, I do not see how it can be done in any other way.

[Abby Normal]

Just a quickie before I go to Norway tomorrow: You seem to have gotten this wrong. I do not claim that the abdominal wounds came first. I claim that it seems that Llewellyn was of that meaning, and I put stock in what he says. I think it fits the overall evidence picture, and if I am asked what I THINK applies, yes, I think that the abdominal wounds preceded the neck wounds.

That is however not the same as any claiming on my behalf that the abdominal wounds must have come first. And to me, this is a very important distinction that so often gets lost when people are trying to understand (or not) what I say and think.

I was never in any position to make any claim at all about the factualities about the matter. Nor did I do so, Steve. I hope you can appreciate that.

Now I´m off again, probably for a number of weeks. When I return, I will put you right on a couple of scores where I think you have gone wrong. Hopefully, your take on the Mizen scam will have gone public by then.

All good things...

Hi Fish
enjoy your trip-Norway is the home of my ancestors and Ive always wanted to visit.

[Elamarna]

Just a quickie before I go to Norway tomorrow: You seem to have gotten this wrong. I do not claim that the abdominal wounds came first. I claim that it seems that Llewellyn was of that meaning, and I put stock in what he says. I think it fits the overall evidence picture, and if I am asked what I THINK applies, yes, I think that the abdominal wounds preceded the neck wounds.


That is however not the same as any claiming on my behalf that the abdominal wounds must have come first. And to me, this is a very important distinction that so often gets lost when people are trying to understand (or not) what I say and think.

I was never in any position to make any claim at all about the factualities about the matter. Nor did I do so, Steve. I hope you can appreciate that.



Why do you feel the need to distance yourself from so much.
You appear to be saying that it's not you view, but that of Llewellyn, that's fine.. However you make it clear that you believe much if not all of what he says, indeed in this post you say you put stock in what he says.

So it's really very simple, do you think the abdomenial wounds were first?

Only 3 answers: Yes, No or Don't know.

It will be interesting to all, to allow them to understand this important distinction you claim, when we compare the answer to posts on the subject over the past say 10 months.


Now I´m off again, probably for a number of weeks. When I return, I will put you right on a couple of scores where I think you have gone wrong. Hopefully, your take on the Mizen scam will have gone public by then.

All good things...

I look forward to it. Maybe I will correct your possible mistakes, who knows!
A shame you have not contributed so far.

I doubt my views will be out by then. October/November is what I am looking at.


Steve

[Sam Flynn]

I claim that it seems that Llewellyn was of that meaning, and I put stock in what he says.

Fish stock, obviously

[Fisherman]

I started my project in response to Christer claiming the abdomenial wounds were first.
Steve

Just a quickie before I go to Norway tomorrow: You seem to have gotten this wrong. I do not claim that the abdominal wounds came first. I claim that it seems that Llewellyn was of that meaning, and I put stock in what he says. I think it fits the overall evidence picture, and if I am asked what I THINK applies, yes, I think that the abdominal wounds preceded the neck wounds.

That is however not the same as any claiming on my behalf that the abdominal wounds must have come first. And to me, this is a very important distinction that so often gets lost when people are trying to understand (or not) what I say and think.

I was never in any position to make any claim at all about the factualities about the matter. Nor did I do so, Steve. I hope you can appreciate that.

Now I´m off again, probably for a number of weeks. When I return, I will put you right on a couple of scores where I think you have gone wrong. Hopefully, your take on the Mizen scam will have gone public by then.

All good things...

[Herlock Sholmes]

Hi Herlock,

Yes that's what we should do but few do.
I started my project in response to Christer claiming the abdomenial wounds were first. I honestly believed it would take a few weeks.. how wrong I was 10 months later and still not finished.
And despite all that research I learn new stuff every single day. We have so many experts on particular areas and I am happy to take on board what they day. I will quote Gary on the slaughter men as a prime example. And David on his take on so much. It does not mean I agree 100%, but all ideas are useful and allow us to develop a fuller picture of event's. It's sad that Egos get in the way on occasions.

By the way are you still in London next month?


Steve

Hi Steve,

Yes I'm in London from 19th until 30th September. It's completely down to when you're free but I'm doing the Jack the Ripper walk starting at Aldgate East (exit 4) on Thursday 28th at 7.00 so maybe we could meet earlier in The Ten Bells at a time to suit you? I'd just need to leave enough time to get to the station (and get directions as I'd probably get lost!)

[Elamarna]

Steve

There is enough that we don't know in this case and enough that we can't possibly know without 'creating' other mysteries. Often because we can't know what individuals were thinking or what their individual motivations were. We have to do what you are doing with the Bucks Row Project. Set out all the available evidence then cross-reference, analyse and make a judgement (without having an agenda.)

Hi Herlock,

Yes that's what we should do but few do.
I started my project in response to Christer claiming the abdomenial wounds were first. I honestly believed it would take a few weeks.. how wrong I was 10 months later and still not finished.
And despite all that research I learn new stuff every single day. We have so many experts on particular areas and I am happy to take on board what they day. I will quote Gary on the slaughter men as a prime example. And David on his take on so much. It does not mean I agree 100%, but all ideas are useful and allow us to develop a fuller picture of event's. It's sad that Egos get in the way on occasions.

By the way are you still in London next month?


Steve

[Elamarna]

Hi el
but why go with the facts and evidence when rumor, innuendo and conspiracy is soooo much more interesting!

Indeed why?

However at least make sure your sources don't actually contrict themselve!!


There has been a move for sometime to right off the single killer, and replace it with various option. ALL of which are promoted by personal theories and gross manipulation of the sources. If that upset anyone, and it will, TOUGH.!!

Steve

[Herlock Sholmes]

Hi el
but why go with the facts and evidence when rumor, innuendo and conspiracy is soooo much more interesting!