David Orsam: But Fisherman that just takes us back to the point about whether blood can ooze or run out of a body after, say, 10 minutes (or whatever cut-off point Payne-James has pronounced as the maximum amount of time).
And that´s where it should take us. And the blood would not "ooze" the way you think oozing looks like - but Neil also said it was running, which is probably the better word. And there is nu maximum time, it is all about likelihoods. The blood would not be likely to run for ten minutes.
Neil saw the oozing when he examined the body which, if Mizen was talking about blood when he first arrived in Bucks Row, would have been pretty much the exact same time as Neil was referring to.
Yes, and the main difference - both say that the blood was running - is that Mizen says that it had started to tun down in the gutter. All very logical, since that is a later stage than forming the pool.
So the question remains: how long can blood ooze or run out of a body after death?
That depends on many factors, David - I have told you that, so you should be aquainted with it. Blood can run, trickle, ooze for a very long time if the circumstances allow for it, but won´t do so if the circumstances do not allow for it.
Isn't that right? And if that's the question, Mizen doesn't add anything to what Neil has told us. Isn't that also right?
No, as I said, Mizen mentions how the blood runs into the gutter, and he says that it looked fresh, and he says that it was somewhat coagulated in the pool. Mizen adds a lot to what Neil says.
(Or, if anything, he tells us it was a less recent murder than one would understand from Neil's evidence alone because some of the blood had already congealed).
Well, to be fair, the congealing starts on second one when the blood leaves a wound. All blod that has left the body is in a state on congealing throughout. But normally, it only becomes visible after three to four minutes, so there is a possibility that Neil looked at the blood when it was still not visibly congealed.
Forget whether you agree with me or not, I just want to understand the basics of what you are saying.
It´s kind of hard to forget, seeing as you have taken it upon yourself to declare what I agree with and think - but I think you may see what I am saying even if I don´t manage to look away from that.
And that´s where it should take us. And the blood would not "ooze" the way you think oozing looks like - but Neil also said it was running, which is probably the better word. And there is nu maximum time, it is all about likelihoods. The blood would not be likely to run for ten minutes.
Neil saw the oozing when he examined the body which, if Mizen was talking about blood when he first arrived in Bucks Row, would have been pretty much the exact same time as Neil was referring to.
Yes, and the main difference - both say that the blood was running - is that Mizen says that it had started to tun down in the gutter. All very logical, since that is a later stage than forming the pool.
So the question remains: how long can blood ooze or run out of a body after death?
That depends on many factors, David - I have told you that, so you should be aquainted with it. Blood can run, trickle, ooze for a very long time if the circumstances allow for it, but won´t do so if the circumstances do not allow for it.
Isn't that right? And if that's the question, Mizen doesn't add anything to what Neil has told us. Isn't that also right?
No, as I said, Mizen mentions how the blood runs into the gutter, and he says that it looked fresh, and he says that it was somewhat coagulated in the pool. Mizen adds a lot to what Neil says.
(Or, if anything, he tells us it was a less recent murder than one would understand from Neil's evidence alone because some of the blood had already congealed).
Well, to be fair, the congealing starts on second one when the blood leaves a wound. All blod that has left the body is in a state on congealing throughout. But normally, it only becomes visible after three to four minutes, so there is a possibility that Neil looked at the blood when it was still not visibly congealed.
Forget whether you agree with me or not, I just want to understand the basics of what you are saying.
It´s kind of hard to forget, seeing as you have taken it upon yourself to declare what I agree with and think - but I think you may see what I am saying even if I don´t manage to look away from that.
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