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  • Rosella
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    Sadler was at sea (the Mediterranean) when Nichols, Chapman, Stride and Eddowes were killed, so he certainly wasn't Jack. IMHO he was just too drunk to have killed Frances Coles. Sergeant Edwards saw him weaving about on the pavement scarcely able to stand only 15 minutes before she died.

    The coronial jury on Coles on 27th February returned a verdict of 'murder against some person or persons unknown.' Sugden has it that four days later all proceedings against Sadler at Thames Magistrates Court were dropped. 'As Sadler left the court his cab was loudly cheered by the crowds standing outside.'

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  • Jon Guy
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    Hi Abby

    Originally posted by Abby Normal View Post
    but wasn't later enough time for him to get rid of it?
    Yes, if guilty, Sadler could have got rid of it after the murder but before he was searched by a copper an hour or so later. But, why did he not use the knife when he took on the two dockers and was badly beaten ?

    The truth is that Sadler was so drunk and wounded when he could have met Coles in Swallow Gardens that he could barely stand and Coles would have beaten him up !! Whomever, cut her throat managed to get Coles on the floor and cut her throat with a steady hand.

    also, wasn't he aquitted at trial and not charges dropped?
    He was appearing at the Police Court, which decides whether he should go on for trial.
    I was looking for the correct "term" and this is what the Casebook wiki says, which is what I went with, but you may be correct.

    Sadler received legal representation from the Seaman's Union who had collected some strong witnesses in his favour; as a result, charges against him were dropped on 2nd March before the case could go to court
    Ripper Wiki
    Last edited by Jon Guy; 02-11-2016, 03:54 AM.

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  • Abby Normal
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    Originally posted by Jon Guy View Post
    He didn`t even have a knife, John. He didn`t use one when he picked a fight with the two dockers, and when he was later randomly searched by a policeman no knife was found.

    He was thoroughly looked into by the police , and the media, and the charges were dropped
    Definitely, not guilty
    Hi Jon
    but wasn't later enough time for him to get rid of it?

    also, wasn't he aquitted at trial and not charges dropped?

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  • Abby Normal
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    Originally posted by Harry D View Post
    Wasn't Sadler busy being drunk as a skunk and getting his ass handed to him that night to commit the murder?
    Hi harryD
    he was a drunk angry violent mess that night and also pissed off at coles and they were together several times throughout the evening.

    I'm not wedded to the idea but my money is on him.

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  • Jon Guy
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    Originally posted by John G View Post
    I think it very unlikely that Sadler murdered Coles'. Between 1:15 and 1:50 he was involved in a fight involving some dock labourers outside St Katherine's Dock, leaving him with a bad scalp wound. He was also extremely drunk and possessed a very blunt knife.

    He didn`t even have a knife, John. He didn`t use one when he picked a fight with the two dockers, and when he was later randomly searched by a policeman no knife was found.

    He was thoroughly looked into by the police , and the media, and the charges were dropped
    Definitely, not guilty
    Last edited by Jon Guy; 02-10-2016, 09:27 AM.

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  • John G
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    I think it very unlikely that Sadler murdered Coles'. Between 1:15 and 1:50 he was involved in a fight involving some dock labourers outside St Katherine's Dock, leaving him with a bad scalp wound. He was also extremely drunk and possessed a very blunt knife.

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  • Elamarna
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    Did he kill Coles? Not sure so possible,

    was he the Ripper? 100% No

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  • Harry D
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    Originally posted by Abby Normal View Post
    did sadler kill coles?
    probably.
    Wasn't Sadler busy being drunk as a skunk and getting his ass handed to him that night to commit the murder?

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  • Abby Normal
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    did sadler kill coles?
    probably.

    was he the ripper?
    no.

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  • Harry D
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    If only Coles' murderer could've been caught. We might not be discussing the Ripper today.

    Is it true that Macnaghten thought that Sadler was responsible for killing Coles AND McKenzie?

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  • sdreid
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    This coming Saturday is the 125th anniversary of Coles' murder no matter who did it. R.I.P. Frances

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  • Richard Dewar
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    If you switched the Dates Stride and Coles Killings. . .

    If you switched the dates of the Stride and Coles killings, my guess is Coles would be one of the canonical five and most experts would be dismissing Stride.

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  • Stephen Thomas
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    Twelve Angry Men has more bearing on the Caroline Maxwell testimony.

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  • Haskins
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    Case not proven and so, having recently watched Twelve Angry Men, I had to vote no. However I don't think that Cole was killed by the Ripper.

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  • Stephen Thomas
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    Originally posted by GregBaron View Post

    But I'm not against a rough, short sailor...
    Ooh, get you dearie. (UK humour).

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