Does the date make a difference

[Tom_Wescott]

Hi Kunochan

Is there a reason you left out Stride - oversight or do you think a different killer?

And Coles as well. Though that's a whole other ball of wax.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[Kunochan]

Hi Kunochan

Is there a reason you left out Stride - oversight or do you think a different killer?

I don't think Stride was a Ripper victim. The street was far too busy and her killer attracted too much attention to himself. Plus she wasn't eviscerated.

[The Rookie Detective]

I don't think Stride was a Ripper victim. The street was far too busy and her killer attracted too much attention to himself. Plus she wasn't eviscerated.

Ah, but the street wasn't busy.

All of the witnesses statements suggest it was quite the opposite.

It's only Schwartz that brings the dramatic noisy street.

Ultimately, Schwartz is there to try and make people believe that Stride wasn't a Ripper victim.

Just imagine how the Ripper would have felt about the murder of Stride if she was indeed a victim of his...
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Would the killer be proud of their inability to inflict any postmortem injuries?

Or would the killer be aggrieved that the Stride murder was a botched job?

Is that the reason why the Ripper then headed west towards the city; in a bid to cross durisdiction...and perhaps in a bid to find another victim?

Was Eddowes only murdered because essentially; the Ripper failed to clip the ears off of Stride?


Now imagine the Ripper going to the police incognito; presenting an over the top appearance... and concocting a story around an assault on Stride in an attempt to try and convince the world that Stride's murder wasn't the work of the Ripper?

Bs man is portrayed as a street drunk who appears to randomly and publicly assault the victim in the street.

And yet...nobody has ever been able to corroborate anything Schwartz said he saw or heard.

But of course...every convincing lie requires a grounding in truth...

And so... there was a report of a man being chased down the street shortly after the murder was alleged to have been committed.

This was perhaps the killer being chased by someone who witnessed the murder...

but who?

Lave?

Nathan Shine?

Diemshitz?

or perhaps the man with the pipe; ergo pipe man.

Schwartz states that pipeman followed him as he ran from the scene after the antisemitic slur....which nobody else heard.

But if we flip that scenario and consider that Schwartz was the Ripper...and he was being chased by a witness to the murder.

Despite getting close, nobody has conclusively been able to find Schwartz...and it could be said that Schwartz exists only for the murder of Stride and the initial aftermath.

But why would the Ripper go to the police disguised as a non- English speaking Jew?

Well... if the Ripper was involved in the theatre, then perhaps he had the skills to pull it off.

A master of disguise.

Imagine the buzz of sitting in front of the police and knowing that they don't have a clue

And perhaps a link to Eddowes and Kelly's alleged connections to the theatre.

And imagine if the Ripper was known to Kelly personally?

The relative that Kelly claimed worked in the theatre.


We could then look at the fact that Lusk and Reeves; the 2 main men of the WVC, were both involved in the theatre.

Reeves was an astute character actor who at one time lived yards from Bucks Row

And Lusk had strong links to the theater, and not just renovating them.

We also have John Mccarthy; Kelly's landlord, who himself was an actor.

The issue has always been that the anti-semitic rhetoric at the time, meant that the police were bias to focusing on lunatic Jews...

...but the real killer was far more astute.

Imagine also...a killer who presented a different appearance fo different victims... a man of many faces.


The biggest clue is that Stride's murder was either not a Ripper killing OR a botched job by the Ripper.

If the latter, then the killer was enraged and went to find another victim; Eddowes, who suffered the injuries of 2 victims in 1.

The best way to catch a killer, isn't to focus on the murders that went well, but the one time he made a mistake.

The lack of post mortem mutilation on Stride would have really annoyed him.

That's why Eddowes was then obliterated.

But the killer couldn't just leave it be.

He needed to retain some control.

So...he went to the police disguised as a theatrical Jew and pushed the focus onto Stride having been the victim of some random drunk.

But Schwartz didn't appear at the inquest.

I would envisage somewhere that there's a note on a missing police file that states that their key witness has disappeared.

Schwartz was a ghost.

And there's a reason for that.

[etenguy]

I don't think Stride was a Ripper victim. The street was far too busy and her killer attracted too much attention to himself. Plus she wasn't eviscerated.

Thanks Kunochan - a lot of different views about Stride. We do not often see Tabram in and Stride out on the Boards though (I think on balance Tabram was more likely a ripper victim than not, also).