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    Since the Macnaghten sequence is typified by experimentation in neck wound type, and since Ada precedes the sequence, I thought I would float this idea. Below is a diagram (the one in red), that shows a "no-fly" list for Ada's injuries. Since she lived and communicated orally, these structures cannot have been significantly harmed. There is another diagram of the M1 wounds, the area on the right being wound 1 (the higher wound) and the combined areas being wound 2 (the lower wound). Given our boy's penchant for experimenting and his inability to hold a wound typology, is Ada not more likely to be an M1 precursor than Tabram? Dave
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  • #2
    Hello Dave,

    I think the throat wound is rather a easier type of submission rather than a solid part of his M.O. This can change and I believe Tabram is almost 100% worthy of Ripper candidacy.
    Washington Irving:

    "To a homeless man, who has no spot on this wide world which he can truly call his own, there is a momentary feeling of something like independence and territorial consequence, when, after a weary day's travel, he kicks off his boots, thrusts his feet into slippers, and stretches himself before an inn fire. Let the world without go as it may; let kingdoms rise and fall, so long as he has the wherewithal to pay his bills, he is, for the time being, the very monarch of all he surveys. The arm chair in his throne; the poker his sceptre, and the little parlour of some twelve feet square, his undisputed empire. "

    Stratford-on-Avon

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    • #3
      I think that if he in fact strangled these women first, we may need to look at the cut throats as part of the mutilation sequence, instead of as the method of killing. Or at least both.
      The early bird might get the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.

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      • #4
        Corey, thats what I mean. Wound site selection and wound type are fluid characteristics no doubt, but is not so fluid as to jump from stabbings on the torso to slicing the throat. Isn't more likely that he went from stabbing a neck to slicing a neck? Dave
        We are all born cute as a button and dumb as rocks. We grow out of cute fast!

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        • #5
          Errata, signs of strangulation first appear in M1, what if it is a learned behavior? We know he learned between M1 and M2 and radically changed wound character as a result. Given his fluidity, are we solid that trangulation is a fixed characteristic? Dave
          We are all born cute as a button and dumb as rocks. We grow out of cute fast!

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          • #6
            We have to careful about assigning class characteristics here because so much fluctuates. My line of thinking is if he went from no trophy to trophy between M1 and M2,in the span of 9 days, he is capable of some change regarding wound type and he is showing fluctuation in goals as well. He is not however, changing area focus, moving from chest to neck, he is still fixed on the abdomen. Since the neck wounds vary throughout the series, is it not more reasonable that a precursor event would vary in neck wound but not vary in area targeted? Dave
            We are all born cute as a button and dumb as rocks. We grow out of cute fast!

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            • #7
              Hello Dave,

              This simple fluctuation is a natural evolution.
              Washington Irving:

              "To a homeless man, who has no spot on this wide world which he can truly call his own, there is a momentary feeling of something like independence and territorial consequence, when, after a weary day's travel, he kicks off his boots, thrusts his feet into slippers, and stretches himself before an inn fire. Let the world without go as it may; let kingdoms rise and fall, so long as he has the wherewithal to pay his bills, he is, for the time being, the very monarch of all he surveys. The arm chair in his throne; the poker his sceptre, and the little parlour of some twelve feet square, his undisputed empire. "

              Stratford-on-Avon

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              • #8
                I agree Corey, which shite cans any thought of holding a sacrosanct definition of the ripper. The best we can do is keep track of plastic and rigid features in Macnaghten sequence. We do not have data to expand the grouping, and we have at least some conception that it was excepted at the time by someone who should have had some ideaof relevancy. I do not believe the Macnaghten sequence is holy, but neither do we have a chance to redefine with any more accuracy. So we can only really define the ripper by features present in a questionable grouping, therefore we should make considerations regarding victim inclusion or exclusion on these criteria, which fluctuate with some predictability.A static definition of "ripperlike" is 100 percent wrong unless the foremost trait is change. Dave
                We are all born cute as a button and dumb as rocks. We grow out of cute fast!

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                • #9
                  Hello Dave,

                  Laitly I have found that it might benefit us more to look rather that what only seems ripperlike but what is ripperlike that fits in perfectly(meaning you can produce a logical explenation for the senerio)with the sequence of events.
                  Washington Irving:

                  "To a homeless man, who has no spot on this wide world which he can truly call his own, there is a momentary feeling of something like independence and territorial consequence, when, after a weary day's travel, he kicks off his boots, thrusts his feet into slippers, and stretches himself before an inn fire. Let the world without go as it may; let kingdoms rise and fall, so long as he has the wherewithal to pay his bills, he is, for the time being, the very monarch of all he surveys. The arm chair in his throne; the poker his sceptre, and the little parlour of some twelve feet square, his undisputed empire. "

                  Stratford-on-Avon

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                  • #10
                    Oh, buddy please do not start ignoring evidence, it only ends poorly. Dave
                    We are all born cute as a button and dumb as rocks. We grow out of cute fast!

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                    • #11
                      Hello Dave,

                      Why would I do that?
                      Washington Irving:

                      "To a homeless man, who has no spot on this wide world which he can truly call his own, there is a momentary feeling of something like independence and territorial consequence, when, after a weary day's travel, he kicks off his boots, thrusts his feet into slippers, and stretches himself before an inn fire. Let the world without go as it may; let kingdoms rise and fall, so long as he has the wherewithal to pay his bills, he is, for the time being, the very monarch of all he surveys. The arm chair in his throne; the poker his sceptre, and the little parlour of some twelve feet square, his undisputed empire. "

                      Stratford-on-Avon

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                      • #12
                        Your a good man Corey! We have enough evidence ignoring, idea floating with no evidence, and refusal to consider that the evidence kills there position types already. Thank You for not being one. Dave
                        We are all born cute as a button and dumb as rocks. We grow out of cute fast!

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                        • #13
                          Hello Dave,

                          And thank you as well! However, I have discovered that evidence to one may be nonsense to others.
                          Washington Irving:

                          "To a homeless man, who has no spot on this wide world which he can truly call his own, there is a momentary feeling of something like independence and territorial consequence, when, after a weary day's travel, he kicks off his boots, thrusts his feet into slippers, and stretches himself before an inn fire. Let the world without go as it may; let kingdoms rise and fall, so long as he has the wherewithal to pay his bills, he is, for the time being, the very monarch of all he surveys. The arm chair in his throne; the poker his sceptre, and the little parlour of some twelve feet square, his undisputed empire. "

                          Stratford-on-Avon

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                          • #14
                            I agree, however more often than saying we differ on interpretation they fall back on that most trusted of lazy scholar caveats " you prove it wrong". If it was my hair brained idea I would submit some damn evidence, and when challenged submit more evidence or say we differ. This lazy scholar crap of telling someone else to the leg work, or worse, saying that because some jackass minute possibility exists but it cannot be proven because it is untestable is a guarantee to get yourself flamed. Consider this fair warning viewers. It does not apply to you Corey, but I am about to put some lazy,hair brained ripperologists on the barby. It is not out of meanness, nor out of respect, it is a matter of keeping some academic protocols in the effort to facilitate forward motion. Dave
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                            We are all born cute as a button and dumb as rocks. We grow out of cute fast!

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