Let there be light!

[David Orsam]

At no time have I posted the following

"Originally Posted by Observer View Post
I guv her the money for her doss three weeks ago cos she hadn't none"

What was going on in #683 then?

[Observer]

Are you saying you've been hacked?

At no time have I posted the following

"Originally Posted by Observer View Post
I guv her the money for her doss three weeks ago cos she hadn't none"

[David Orsam]

That's not one of my posts.

Are you saying you've been hacked?

[curious]

Do you also wonder why the story said of the reporter: "as he stepped out into the darkness visible of Dorset-street from the glow-light of the lodging-house kitchen, the men laughed loudly and their laughter was carried up the street."? Why were they laughing so much?

Hi, David,
This is very interesting.

I'd love to hear your thoughts on why they were laughing so much.

Thanks,

curious

[David Orsam]

So you believe that Kelly obtained and ate a meal of fish and chips at 7:00 a.m. in the morning?

I don't believe anything. For all I know she was already dead for some hours at 7:00am.

But, if Maxwell's evidence was true, is it possible that she could have eaten fish and chips at 7:00am? Yes, I can't see why not.

[Observer]

This will be Groundhog Day for those people who have been paying attention and actually following the debate in this thread.

But my response to that article extract you have posted is this:

Why did Mary Kelly require doss money?

That's not one of my posts.

[David Orsam]

Did you like that? Goodo. You know the way you talk out of your backside is very endearing.

I don't understand. What's the problem with my answer?

[Observer]

I love the "lets say 3" as if that is a scientific way of going about this.

But if it was 3 hours and she was murdered at 10:00am then her last meal would have been at 7:00am.

Did you like that? Goodo. You know the way you talk out of your backside is very endearing.

Now then, here's a factual little snippet, as I said, the stomach empties of food after about six hours, that's for an average sized meal, and I think it's fair to say that the meal of fish and potatoes Kelly ate. The food in her stomach was recognisable, so it's not unreasonable to suggest that she ate 3 hours prior to her death certainly less than 6 hours.

So you believe that Kelly obtained and ate a meal of fish and chips at 7:00 a.m. in the morning?

[David Orsam]

I guv her the money for her doss three weeks ago cos she hadn't none.

This will be Groundhog Day for those people who have been paying attention and actually following the debate in this thread.

But my response to that article extract you have posted is this:

Why did Mary Kelly require doss money?

[David Orsam]

By jove he's got it

Okay, so if you think we are to believe that the "single scream" heard by Lewis and Prater was the result of a common assault then that would explain why Maxwell testified that she saw Kelly alive at about 8:00am wouldn't it?

[David Orsam]

This is becoming increasingly tedious. Go on which question?

If it's becoming tedious it's because you aren't answering my questions and I have to keep posting to force you to answer them.

The question I had in mind was "Are we to believe that the single scream as heard by Lewis and Prater was the result of a common assault?" and in the end I had to answer it myself for you to which you have commented "By jove he's got it". I will respond to that separately.

But so that we can understand each other. Could you answer the question which I asked some time ago but you haven't answered as follows:

Do you accept that the evidence of Prater was that a cry of "oh murder" was a common occurrence in the neighbourhood at night?

[Observer]

No.

Now could you please answer my question.

This is becoming increasingly tedious. Go on which question?

[Observer]

So when you asked me:

"Are we to believe that the single scream as heard by Lewis and Prater was the result of a common assault?"

The answer is: yes we are to believe it.

Have I got that right?

By jove he's got it

[Observer]

Tell me Observer, what do you make of the following in the Evening Post of 9 November 1888?

"One man has informed our representative that he was in the court at eight o’clock this morning when he saw Kelly go out for the purpose of fetching some milk. Two women aver that they saw her in a public-house, drinking with a man. This was between ten and half-past, but the persons residing in the public house state that they have no recollection of her, and the point is rendered the more difficult through Kelly not being generally known."

Tell me David what do you make of the following?

An Echo reporter visited a local doss-house to ask if anyone knew the victim...two local dossers are quoted...

When asked, "Did anyone know her?"

- "Did anyone not know her? - a remark which hugely tickled his companions. Poor Mary Jane Kelly was a figure, it appears, in street brawls, sudden and quick in quarrel, and - for a woman - handy with her fists.

- An elderly man who wore a coat and waistcoat, but no shirt beneath, averred in pessimistic tones it was better for Mary Jane Kelly to have been done to death. "Wot was her life?" he muttered, spreading out his thin and not too clean hands to the fire. "Starvation three days a week, and then, when she got money, drink for the other three days. I knowed her. I guv her the money for her doss three weeks ago cos she hadn't none. Yes, matey, and that at two in the mornin'," he said, turning to our reporter whose intent bearing may possibly have suggested incredulity. "Mary Jane was a good soul." This testimony was freely offered. "She would spend her money lavishly when she had any, and when she hadn't any, why -"

These are the only snippets I could locate at the moment, so yes, she was well known, and people are said to have liked her.
In that sense, a local celebrity, someone remembered by many.

[David Orsam]

Again, I have only ever indicated that if it was not Kelly who produced the scream, then it was someone else in distress, someone being assaulted, so cut the crap

So when you asked me:

"Are we to believe that the single scream as heard by Lewis and Prater was the result of a common assault?"

The answer is: yes we are to believe it.

Have I got that right?