Let there be light!

[Mayerling]

Hi everyone,

[/B]He had lit the large fire in the grate for his witness. So that she would see better what he had done.

Now, the next question must be: Who was the witness he wanted to enlighten?

Both Sarah Lewis and Elizabeth Prater heard her.

Regards, Pierre

Hi Pierre,

Interesting. This makes "Jack" apparently the first killer I know of that not only invited strangers to come in and view his hitherto partially hidden handiwork (as he killed women on darkened streets before this), but proved his showmanship in this field by providing better lighting to see his work! Incredible. Usually killers don't like witnesses, and I really cannot see how he could have brought the two ladies in, showed the remains of Mary, and somehow convinced them that he stumbled on the shambles and only wanted to show it to them or anyone else. Actually I tended to think he'd try to kill any real witness associating himself with any corpse he had created.

But you may know more than I do. Nice time-line.

Jeff

[Robert]

Hi Steve

I tend to think that Abberline would have asked Barnett or Harvey about the state of the kettle.

[Elamarna]

Hi Steve

I tend to think that Abberline would have asked Barnett or Harvey about the state of the kettle.

Robert

Very possibly,
however that would not rule out the solder melting as a result of one heating too many so to speak on a normal fire.

I am undecided on this. I have to honestly say, can see both sides of debate.

would help if we had a proper report from Abberline regarding the issue.

Steve

[GUT]

Robert

Very possibly,
however that would not rule out the solder melting as a result of one heating too many so to speak on a normal fire.

I am undecided on this. I have to honestly say, can see both sides of debate.

would help if we had a proper report from Abberline regarding the issue.

Steve

Yep.

If just we had ALL of the police files.

1. We could put to bed so many crazy theories that rely on the police being idiots

2. We could probably solve the case.

[packers stem]

Yep.

If just we had ALL of the police files.

1. We could put to bed so many crazy theories that rely on the police being idiots

2. We could probably solve the case.

....and who has failed to keep said files??

[Errata]

Yep.

If just we had ALL of the police files.

1. We could put to bed so many crazy theories that rely on the police being idiots

2. We could probably solve the case.

Do we get to keep crazy theories that rely on the police simply being a product of their time and technological development?

[Elamarna]

....and who has failed to keep said files??

quite possibly a lot were lost in 1940,

steve

[c.d.]

Hello GUT,

I agree with you completely. That the police were complete idiots is the sine qua non of so many theories. Take that away and so many of those theories fail.

c.d.

[packers stem]

Hi Packers

Maybe he is about to back you, maybe the witness is MJK herself.

however to suggest 2am as a firm TOD just seems wrong, not backed by the science from what I can see.

yes what exactly had been burnt and who did it belong to?
Sure I know what you will suggest, even if you do not have a name.

I agree about where the call came from.
On the purpose of it, or if it was linked to the murder I have no idea.

Steve

Hi Steve
Not particularly interested in Pierre's witness to be honest
2 am seems too early for me. Somewhere between 3. 30 and 5 if I was to hazard a guess and that's all any of us can do in reality,tying in Mrs Kennedy's sighting
I do think the oh murder was a deliberate shout or a shout of exclamation by someone before they were told to be quiet possibly.Certainly wasn't someone screaming for her life.People did say it was a fairly common shout in the street but it can't have been that common in a court of just a few rooms.
Suggestion about what had been burnt.... Well women's clothing according to Abberline.
Who did it belong to.... The victim I'm sure
Still concerned about the clothes that Harvey left behind though.
Why, when she now has her own place.
Why also, mens shirts?
As for the name, I hope you're not also asking me for a suspect :-)

[packers stem]

quite possibly a lot were lost in 1940,

steve

Including any Maurice Lewis statement possibly

[Rosella]

The police weren't idiots by any stretch of the imagination. It's a tragedy though that reports about Eddowes were lost in the Blitz, that so much in the Ripper files was stolen by sticky fingered police and civilians, and that a paper shortage in WW2 was used as an excuse to raid old files. So much has been lost...

[Elamarna]

Hi Steve
Not particularly interested in Pierre's witness to be honest
2 am seems too early for me. Somewhere between 3. 30 and 5 if I was to hazard a guess and that's all any of us can do in reality,tying in Mrs Kennedy's sighting
I do think the oh murder was a deliberate shout or a shout of exclamation by someone before they were told to be quiet possibly.Certainly wasn't someone screaming for her life.People did say it was a fairly common shout in the street but it can't have been that common in a court of just a few rooms.
Suggestion about what had been burnt.... Well women's clothing according to Abberline.
Who did it belong to.... The victim I'm sure
Still concerned about the clothes that Harvey left behind though.
Why, when she now has her own place.
Why also, mens shirts?
As for the name, I hope you're not also asking me for a suspect :-)

no not a suspect,
i meant i was sure you would say victim but not MJK, even if you didn't know who she was.

steve

[c.d.]

The police weren't idiots by any stretch of the imagination. It's a tragedy though that reports about Eddowes were lost in the Blitz, that so much in the Ripper files was stolen by sticky fingered police and civilians, and that a paper shortage in WW2 was used as an excuse to raid old files. So much has been lost...

Hello Rosella,

Never heard that before about the paper shortage. Interesting. Makes sense though.

c.d.

[Elamarna]

Including any Maurice Lewis statement possibly

yes,
no way it can be ruled out.

but as with all missing/non existent files. we need something else to assume they existed in first place.

example:
pretty sure there must once have been a poice file of somesort on Kosminsky. just because where did Anderson, MM and Swanson get info to mention him. didn't need be big file

s

[packers stem]

no not a suspect,
i meant i was sure you would say victim but not MJK, even if you didn't know who she was.

steve

Hi Steve
You're correct, I don't know who she was.
Wouldn't yet rule out the young woman who Barnett encountered talking to Kelly in the evening though
Harvey at the inquest claimed it was her, lizzie Allbrook claimed it was her. Harvey in the times claimed her and Kelly were at New Court, left at 7 and Kelly headed off to Aldgate
Would Barnett not have known Harvey and Allbrook by name as they were supposedly best friends with Kelly
So who forgot their lines??