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[packers stem]

MJK3 is a fake anyway isn't it with the toy hand,hacksaw,artificial light and a thumb where a pinky should be...lol

[Michael W Richards]

Just to clarify about the partition wall, the door doesn't open...it is part of that wall. It doesn't function as a door. Behind that wall is the staircase that Prater climbed each night, and its probable that the light and noise she did not see at around 1:30am was from looking through cracks in that partition wall. If youre wondering why they would use and old door for the wall, it would be considerably cheaper than making a new plaster wall.

Marys room was the salon or lounge area for the house originally, and it would have been accessed using the doorway inside the archway that led to the stairs. The partition wall and her door that accessed the courtyard were constructs for the remodeling of the space for rental.

So, now that you know there is no "secret door", and no access to the interior stairs, carry on...........

[Sam Flynn]

There are enough mysteries surrounding Kelly's death without making up new ones of our own.

[IchabodCrane]

Well, who were "the other witnesses" that was at the murder site on the 9th of November?

And why did they board up the windows in nr 26 from the outside?

Regards Pierre

Hi Pierre,

with witnesses I mean inquest witnesses who were there when the room was entered. These were Abberline and McCarthy. If Dr. Philips had come up with a bold lie about how they entered the room, it would surely have been checked by Abberline.

Here is another question re your contention:
Did the secret door open into the hallway or into the room?
If into the room, did Mary move her bed first in expectation of a secret rendezvous? And as asked by Elarmana, did the police then move the bed back for MJK1.
If into the hallway, I assume you stick to your point that Dr. Philipps lied to the coroner when he stated the door hit a table next to the bed?

Since you seem to be enjoying having the information wormed out of you, I am now really looking forward how the storyline continues.

Thanks and cheers,
IchabodCrane

[DJA]

I can't seem to understand what I'm seeing here all I can make out is the hand. Can anyone explain this to me?

The bed Mary Kelly was lying on was moved away from the "partition door" to take one or more photos.

Her hand will give you good perspective when you look carefully at the photos.

[DJA]

If you look at the apartment plan above - do you still think so?

If you do - do you have a source for that?

Regards Pierre

Yes.
Fair chance the door was functional.
We don't know when "Mary's room" was partitioned off.
Access was via a door in the archway just before Mary's.

https://books.google.com.au/books?id=cHlOondey1oC&pg=PA145&lpg=PA145&dq=back+parlor+millers+court&source=bl&ots=hL2aj-FnE8&sig=l5sEkqR0ea6xMrMbHmoLbZjHADw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiC8OHEg7HJAhUhMaYKHdnFDUoQ6AEIIzAB#v=onepage&q=back%20parlor%20millers%20court&f=false

[RockySullivan]

I can't seem to understand what I'm seeing here all I can make out is the hand. Can anyone explain this to me?

[Michael W Richards]

Thanks for remembering, Mike!

Cant forget one of the true gentlemen here Gareth.

[Sam Flynn]

Sam Flynn pointed out the faded #26 to me on that thread Jon. And yes...nice to agree.

Thanks for remembering, Mike!

[Robert St Devil]

Here's the story I got so far:
1. The killer knew that Mary Jane would be discovered in her bedroom before or during the LMS procession.
2. The killer used a secret passage to enter her room.
3. The killer knows that Mary Jane is alone & asleep and noone will be coming home during the duration of the murder. Not Maria, Joe, Julia.
4. The killer may or may not have known about her fireplace.

A. The police surgeon most involved with this case gives dubious information.
B. The police dont report the door blockage or the secret passage.

{my head hurts!}

[Elamarna]

My dear Pierre

You are suggesting that the killer entered via secret door.
You suggest MJK3 is the postioned shown by you as a barricade.

Therefore could you please explain the following( and please remember I have been following this case since the 1970 and you are not an expert as you tell us who has been looking at this for a few months):

1. Please explain MJK1? ARE YOU SAYING THE POLICE MOVED IT ALL BACK?

2. If the door is boarded up please explain how murder gets in with out waking MJK who just sits there and let's it happen to her.

3. If you are saying that point 1 is correct please tell us why?

4. You are claiming that Dr Phillips and the police lied is that correct?

[Michael W Richards]

Yes, Mike, that was what I was thinking (we agree for once!)
There was a discussion here years ago about this, and I think you can see the number 26, on the door.

Sam Flynn pointed out the faded #26 to me on that thread Jon. And yes...nice to agree.

[Jon Guy]

To answer the questions regarding the "secret door", it was an old door for the street access that was used to build the partition wall. Its mounted there, its not functionally a door.

Yes, Mike, that was what I was thinking (we agree for once!)
There was a discussion here years ago about this, and I think you can see the number 26, on the door.

[Michael W Richards]

To answer the questions regarding the "secret door", it was an old door for the street access that was used to build the partition wall. Its mounted there, its not functionally a door.

[Pierre]

Any door from the stairwell would open into Mary's room.

Her bed was up against that door.

If you look at the apartment plan above - do you still think so?

If you do - do you have a source for that?

Regards Pierre