Suggestion

[Pierre]

Well, I was under the impression that Pierre had a "full-blown theory" regarding the Whitechapel murderer, I have been very surprised to see him concentrating solely on MJK. There are at least 4 other murders that are receiving no attention at all....why isn't he trying to stimulate discussion about any of those murders?

Did you now? Oh dear.

What if you were wrong? Perhaps Pierre knows nothing.

That would certainly be the best for everyone. Then we could all continue as usual, making some more money on some murdered prostitutes.

Pierre

[Michael W Richards]

And many don't even think MJK was a ripper victim.

There are lots of good reasons for those assumptions GUT, one primary one is that the evidence seems to suggest Marys room was entered with her permission.

One thing that is clear about serial killers, they don't often kill people known to them, for obvious reasons. Strangers killing strangers are the hardest crimes to solve, and usually they are committed because of mental health issues. Motives......they are unknown in 3 of the Canonical cases.

[JadenCollins]

Did you now? Oh dear.

What if you were wrong? Perhaps Pierre knows nothing.

That would certainly be the best for everyone. Then we could all continue as usual, making some more money on some murdered prostitutes.

Pierre

Oh please, cut the crap! You're the only one who tries to make some money on them, that's for sure. Have a little respect? It's all about you, you, you and your theory. I get it, you wanna find the killer, good for you, but does that mean we have to forget about the victims? Didn't this all start just give them some peace by finding the killer? And YES PEOPLE HAVE BEEN MAKING MONEY ON THEM! Pierre, you aren't that innocent either, I bet in few months there will be a book out written by you with your personal theory, and if that gets out, you're just as bad as the rest.

[Michael W Richards]

Did you now? Oh dear.

What if you were wrong? Perhaps Pierre knows nothing.

That would certainly be the best for everyone. Then we could all continue as usual, making some more money on some murdered prostitutes.

Pierre

If you want a check on what value you've brought to the table so far Pierre I would say that its nonexistent. You've suggested plenty and answered nothing, you've put forth preposterous ideas based erroneously on reports you've read wrong, and you've caused arguments and incited members.

Not cool.

[JadenCollins]

There are lots of good reasons for those assumptions GUT, one primary one is that the evidence seems to suggest Marys room was entered with her permission.

One thing that is clear about serial killers, they don't often kill people known to them, for obvious reasons. Strangers killing strangers are the hardest crimes to solve, and usually they are committed because of mental health issues. Motives......they are unknown in 3 of the Canonical cases.

Indeed, Mike!

And what about the witnesses?...

[David Orsam]

haven´t you read the article in the Evening Express?

Haven't you read it Pierre? It makes clear that the front of number 26 was boarded up before the murder of Kelly.

So what point do you want to make from that?

[Wickerman]

Hi,


Prater had to enter from the passage directly into the stairway which led to room 20.

Regards Pierre

Hi Pierre.
Yes, this is why I drew those two circles on the plan.
The lower circle was the door used by Prater.
The upper circle was the door to Kellys room.




This might explain a little clearer.
The stairs (blue arrow) run from the first side door (used by Prater), up to a landing (red arrow), which runs across the width of the house.

[GUT]

This might explain a little clearer.
The stairs (blue arrow) run from the first side door (used by Prater), up to a landing (red arrow), which runs across the width of the house.

Those stairs are placed differently than in the sketch posted earlier (but personally i think yours are more likely ti be correct) but either way it is that landing that may be why MJKs bed head wasn't right against the wall.

[Wickerman]

[B]Hi,

This drawing is great!

But if we use Tully´s plan, wouldn´t the stairway have gone in the other direction?

Thanks

No-one has a floorplan of 26 Dorset St., even Tully is just guessing, so am I.

However, take a look at the internal of No.29 Hanbury St.



Notice how the stairs run up the left side then turn to the right?
Under the stairs, but out of view, is the door that goes out to the backyard.
This is what I had in mind for Dorset St. Except, Dorset St. has an extension built on the back (room 13), whereas Hanbury st. didn't, hence no need for an internal passage from underneath the stairs, Hanbury St. just has a back door with steps down to the yard.

[GUT]

Thanks

No-one has a floorplan of 26 Dorset St., even Tully is just guessing, so am I.

However, take a look at the internal of No.29 Hanbury St.



Notice how the stairs run up the left side then turn to the right?
Under the stairs, but out of view, is the door that goes out to the backyard.
This is what I had in mind for Dorset St.

I agree, not only that the Tully plan means little if any room for access between 26 and Mary's room the stairs would need to fill most of that wall.

With a 6" riser and 8" tread.

If the ceiling was 8' you need 16 steps that's 10'8" of stairwell if they're a single run, in a 12 or 15 foot width, it just doesn't work, even with a landing half way up it's 5' or so, plus the landing, say three foot, so the bottom step is -around 8' across the room.

The way you present it is more logical to my mind.

[Robert St Devil]

WICKERMAN.
The Hanbury comparative is a good one. Not only for the visual, but also the architectural implications. If I remember correctly, the houses at Hanbury address and the house next to it were setup in the same fashion. On the ground floor was a cats-meat store with a kitchen(?) in the back. On the ground floor at The house next to it was described as the parlour(?) area.
Could No 26 and 27 been considered one unit {indicated by the thick black lines} with 27 being the chandler and kitchen and 26 being the parlour/shed? And that is the reason why you wont find a kitchen in 26...

[DJA]

You are dealing with a three storey town house.

Those stairs probably connect to the top floor.

Three zones.

Domestic.

Work.

Servant or back parlour.

A two storey house might have a large "wardrobe" under the stairs.

Reckon the door in MJK1 was originally functional.

[Pierre]

Those stairs are placed differently than in the sketch posted earlier (but personally i think yours are more likely ti be correct) but either way it is that landing that may be why MJKs bed head wasn't right against the wall.

Yes, I agree with you.

Regards Pierre

[Pierre]

A two storey house might have a large "wardrobe" under the stairs.

Reckon the door in MJK1 was originally functional.

Yes, and such a wardrobe might explain the "knob" we see in the photograph as well.

Regards Pierre

[Pierre]

Hi.

Even if there is a fully functioning door in the middle of the partitioned wall that has been nailed shut, how would the killer know about it?

Hi Robert,

He got acquainted with people living in Spitalfields and used the information he got from them to commit the murders. This was part of his plan.

Regards Pierre