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why do people think she was killed when not already in bed asleep/passed out?
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Originally posted by Sam Flynn View PostThanks for that very interesting observation, Jon. Food for thought!
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Originally posted by Wickerman View PostKelly was dressed in her nightdress because she was entertaining. If she had been alone she would have gone to bed clothed, like the other women of her class.
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[QUOTE=John G;413512]Originally posted by Pierre View Post
I'm going to take a wild guess here and say that you've no proof, which can only be in the nature of a confession, that you're willing to disclose.
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Originally posted by Elamarna View PostJohn, what's to say he didn't. Indeed have not some suggested that he may have undressed to prevent his clothes being covered in blood.
Not something I think myself, but a possibility.
Steve
Which is why in this case I believe people should be looking for the other Joe she was seeing, perhaps Issacs, or other liaison "friends" who, for whatever reason, wanted to punish Mary Kelly. To make her ugly to look at.
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Originally posted by John G View Post
If the assailant didn't also undress that would surely have seemed very odd to Kelly.
John, what's to say he didn't. Indeed have not some suggested that he may have undressed to prevent his clothes being covered in blood.
Not something I think myself, but a possibility.
Steve
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Originally posted by John G View PostHi Jon,
She was found in bed and wearing a nightdress which, as I noted earlier, indicates she'd retired for the night.
I don't think it does, what I think is that you are confusing our modern more luxurious tendencies to undress for bed in something light and comfortable, because our bedrooms are warm and cozy.
This was the East end John, the poor and destitute living in drafty hovels.
We have firsthand accounts from a couple of witnesses that they went to sleep fully dressed. These houses were cold and drafty, these poor women did not waste precious kindling on a fire unless it was to earn some money.
Kelly was dressed in her nightdress because she was entertaining. If she had been alone she would have gone to bed clothed, like the other women of her class.
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Originally posted by John G View PostYes, but Chapman was murdered outside, i.e. not inside a multi-occupancy building with thin walls.You say the killer didn't wait around for ages. However, in your scenario he must have delayed until they reached Kelly's accommodationIf the assailant didn't also undress that would surely have seemed very odd to Kelly.Last edited by Sam Flynn; 05-01-2017, 03:45 PM.
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Originally posted by Sam Flynn View PostNobody heard anything inside 29 Hanbury Street, either, but it was full of people who were on the brink of waking up, if not already awake - and all of them were in the same physical building. The same cannot be said of the scattered residents of Miller's Court.
And, I re-emphasise, I don't envisage the killer waiting around for ages, only for as long as it took to lull her into a false sense of security before catching her off-guard. That doesn't give much of a window for witnesses to hear anything.
I don't see why he needed to do that.
You say the killer didn't wait around for ages. However, in your scenario he must have delayed until they reached Kelly's accommodation; further delayed during any (unheard) conversation they had; and then further delayed until Kelly had virtually completely undressed, apart from a single undergarment and one stocking.
If the assailant didn't also undress that would surely have seemed very odd to Kelly.
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[QUOTE=Abby Normal;413442]
if you have any other ideas of why he would purposely cut her through the sheet please expound, because I cant think of any others.
Cutting in darkness would lead to cutting of things.
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Originally posted by John G View PostBut she was hardly living in high quality, soundproofed accommodation. But if your scenario is correct no one heard her return with the murderer; no one heard her conversing with him; no one heard anyone moving about
And, I re-emphasise, I don't envisage the killer waiting around for ages, only for as long as it took to lull her into a false sense of security before catching her off-guard. That doesn't give much of a window for witnesses to hear anything.
By the way, what was her assailant doing whilst she was undressing? Was he undressing as well?
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