Why Mary had to die.

[DJA]

That at least would be giving substance to one of Pierre's threads.

[GUT]

No, the sitting Lord Mayor was De Keyser.

One month before the murderer of Kelly there was an interview with De Keyser in the press, where he stated that the assasin was "undoubtedly mad" and that it "would not be surprising if he should soon commit suicide".

(See for instance The Freeman´s Journal, October 9, 1888, p. 5)

Regards Pierre

The man said Jack was mad, no wonder Jack got angry.

[Robert]

Welcome back, GUT.

[Pierre]

The man said Jack was mad, no wonder Jack got angry.

The killer could have gotten angry at a lot of other people stating in the press that he was mad.

But he wasn´t.

He was angry at the Lord Mayor.

Regards Pierre

[Karl]

The killer could have gotten angry at a lot of other people stating in the press that he was mad.

But he wasn´t.

He was angry at the Lord Mayor.

Regards Pierre

So that's why Mary had to die?

[Pcdunn]

Well, if so, then why not--?

The killer could have gotten angry at a lot of other people stating in the press that he was mad.

But he wasn´t.

He was angry at the Lord Mayor.

Regards Pierre

Why didn't Jack go after a member of the Lord Mayor's family, in that case?

[Pierre]

Why didn't Jack go after a member of the Lord Mayor's family, in that case?

Because he wasn´t after Lord Mayor personally.

Regards Pierre

[MysterySinger]

Here is a link to a Casebook note of the De Keyser interview...

http://www.casebook.org/forum/messages/4920/10973.html

[Pcdunn]

Ah, out to spoil the Day, perhaps?

Because he wasn´t after Lord Mayor personally.

Regards Pierre

So it was more symbolic, then? JTR felt a terrifically monstrous mutlitation crime on the Lord Mayor's Day would be a great way to spoil the day, humilitate the police, and cause the mayor embarrasment? Makes sense.

[Pierre]

So it was more symbolic, then? JTR felt a terrifically monstrous mutlitation crime on the Lord Mayor's Day would be a great way to spoil the day, humiliate the police, and cause the mayor embarrasment? Makes sense.

Yes. And that´s why he waited and committed no other murder(s) during a whole month before Lord Mayor´s Day.

And in the life of the person I am researching, there was also a special event coming up at the same time. So he had two reasons for waiting.

This personal reason and the wish to spoil the day and humiliate the police are closely linked toghether from the point of view of the killer.

That is partly why the mutilations inflicted on Kelly were so extensive.

Regards Pierre

[Panderoona]

Polydore De Keyser was Catholic wasn't he?

[MysterySinger]

So to be clear, he chose the day - but did he choose Kelly in the sense that he'd already selected her or was it opportunist from that point i.e. it could have been anybody?

In the case of the torso murders, presumably he enticed the ladies back to "his place" then did the deeds and disposed of the parts at various locations. How would he do that - still quite large parts to move around and no car. Perhaps it was a wheelbarrow job.

[Pierre]

So to be clear, he chose the day - but did he choose Kelly in the sense that he'd already selected her or was it opportunist from that point i.e. it could have been anybody?

In the case of the torso murders, presumably he enticed the ladies back to "his place" then did the deeds and disposed of the parts at various locations. How would he do that - still quite large parts to move around and no car. Perhaps it was a wheelbarrow job.

Hi,

He chose Kelly some time before Lord Mayor´s Day. The choice had nothing to do with her lenght or age etc.

In the case of the torso murders, I don´t know anything of the transports.

But if I may guess I would say that horse and carriage might have been his preference.

Regards Pierre

[MysterySinger]

Did the fact that Mary Kelly was living with Joe Barnett though have anything to do with the timing - I mean in a deliberate sense in that he needed to wait till Barnett was out of the way. What if Barnett had still been with her on the 8th/9th though? Was Barnett in on it all?

[Karl]

Hi,

He chose Kelly some time before Lord Mayor´s Day. The choice had nothing to do with her lenght or age etc.

In the case of the torso murders, I don´t know anything of the transports.

But if I may guess I would say that horse and carriage might have been his preference.

Regards Pierre

In your estimation, by what parameters did he choose Mary?