When was the estimation of when Mary took her last meal of fish and potatoes?

[packers stem]

Hi PS
well then she had the wrong woman, or was full of cap.

What I find ridiculous is that anyone can believe Mary Kelly was alive at 9:00 and dead and mutilated by 10:45.

against drs TOD
against other witnesses who have viable suspects seen with her at night.
against Maxwell being warned by the coroner at the inquest.
against when the police thought she was killed.

so at 9:00am Mary is going to meet a man,(do we need to fit in a meal of fish and potatoes too?) bring him back to her place, be murdered, with a huge fire being built and load of clothes burnt, mutilated to the point of a dissection nearly on par with a post mortem procedure, the killer getting out and away in the middle of morning and the fire to die out and her body to be discovered at 10:45?

all this happening in an hour and 45 minutes? wow.

all this while Mary is so sick from alcohol poisoning that she is vomiting that shes going to pick up a man and bring back to her place, presumably for sex?

Back to reality folks.

Hi Abby
I agree with your reasoning, I don't doubt the TOD at all

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bingo

Not even a line never mind a full house

[packers stem]

It should be remembered that Maxwell hardly knew Kelly. In fact, by her own admission she'd only spoken to her twice in the past and, considering how overcrowded this neighbourhood was, with people constantly moving in and out, it might not even have been Kelly. In other words, she might have been mistaken about the identity of the woman she believed to be Kelly.

Hi John
They did though both address each other by name if I remember right and if maxwell had any doubts at all I'm sure she would have avoided testifying and not put herself there being the one that everyone thought had gone mad or seeing ghosts

[Abby Normal]

It should be remembered that Maxwell hardly knew Kelly. In fact, by her own admission she'd only spoken to her twice in the past and, considering how overcrowded this neighbourhood was, with people constantly moving in and out, it might not even have been Kelly. In other words, she might have been mistaken about the identity of the woman she believed to be Kelly.

bingo

[Abby Normal]

Got to say I do find it amazing when anyone suggests they've mistaken the day....the thought if it happening in reality is too ridiculous for words.
I've just been out to the shop to buy milk and tobacco.I know it was today because it was only half an hour ago...

Hi PS
well then she had the wrong woman, or was full of cap.

What I find ridiculous is that anyone can believe Mary Kelly was alive at 9:00 and dead and mutilated by 10:45.

against drs TOD
against other witnesses who have viable suspects seen with her at night.
against Maxwell being warned by the coroner at the inquest.
against when the police thought she was killed.

so at 9:00am Mary is going to meet a man,(do we need to fit in a meal of fish and potatoes too?) bring him back to her place, be murdered, with a huge fire being built and load of clothes burnt, mutilated to the point of a dissection nearly on par with a post mortem procedure, the killer getting out and away in the middle of morning and the fire to die out and her body to be discovered at 10:45?

all this happening in an hour and 45 minutes? wow.

all this while Mary is so sick from alcohol poisoning that she is vomiting that shes going to pick up a man and bring back to her place, presumably for sex?

Back to reality folks.

[packers stem]

That was McCarthy. Barnett obviously felt differently.

I doubt Barnett wouldn't have stood there examining the body,if he expected it to be her then why bother taking more than a quick glance and anyway. if she saw Barnett that morning as witness testimony suggest she could well have asked him to say it was here so she could 'make away with herself' as she'd been at pains to tell people through the previous week

Apart from the fact that Mary Kelly was both seen and heard by several witnesses in her room that night? And there being no evidence that anyone else was sleeping over that night?

Quite correct, there is no physical evidence that someone else had been in there unless Kennedy saw that other woman? But sightings the following morning are evidence, far stronger evidence than most that we take as being accurate

[John G]

It should be remembered that Maxwell hardly knew Kelly. In fact, by her own admission she'd only spoken to her twice in the past and, considering how overcrowded this neighbourhood was, with people constantly moving in and out, it might not even have been Kelly. In other words, she might have been mistaken about the identity of the woman she believed to be Kelly.

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Not really. I often have a conversation where I reference something that happened 'yesterday' and they have to remind me it was actually two days ago.

...but it wasn't yesterday...it was a couple of hours before the furore of the discovery of the body... She'd have to be a complete imbecile to mistake the day...just can't see it at all

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Hi PS
can you stop beating around the bush and just say flat out what your idea/theory is?

Im not smart enough to decipher the bits and pieces...

Haven't got one to provide I'm afraid Abby but whatever it is would be would have to explain Maxwell and Lewis...maybe one can be mistaken but two?
It would also have to explain how the last two victim were supposedly using the same 'uncommon' name on the day they died...
For anyone who believes these were a set of random murders by a local killer please show me another case of random killings where the killer kills someone by chance whose using the name Mary Kelly then lo and behold goes out 6 weeks later and by chance kills someone else using the same name.Even any two from 5 would be amazing, the last two of 5 wouldn't be far off lottery winning odds
The serial killer profiles that we know today are built on statistical probabilities.... What are the statistical probabilities of this sequence of events happening?
If it has happened in another case then we can maybe put it to bed....I wait with baited breath

[Harry D]

Hi Harry
There was very little left to ID
We've been through the eyes and ears/hair many times The ears were cut off,the eyelids removed and the hair bloodsoaked due to the skinning if the forehead etc
McCarthy who knew Kelly well also described her more than once as being totally unrecognisable

That was McCarthy. Barnett obviously felt differently.

And other women had been sleeping in the room over the previous week so the body just being in her room is not evidence of the body being hers

Apart from the fact that Mary Kelly was both seen and heard by several witnesses in her room that night? And there being no evidence that anyone else was sleeping over that night?

[Harry D]

Got to say I do find it amazing when anyone suggests they've mistaken the day....the thought if it happening in reality is too ridiculous for words.
I've just been out to the shop to buy milk and tobacco.I know it was today because it was only half an hour ago...

Not really. I often have a conversation where I reference something that happened 'yesterday' and they have to remind me it was actually two days ago.

[Abby Normal]

Hi Harry
There was very little left to ID
We've been through the eyes and ears/hair many times The ears were cut off,the eyelids removed and the hair bloodsoaked due to the skinning if the forehead etc
McCarthy who knew Kelly well also described her more than once as being totally unrecognisable
And other women had been sleeping in the room over the previous week so the body just being in her room is not evidence of the body being hers

HI PS
I could ID the mutilated body of my lover if there was only an armpit and eyelash left.

Back to non fiction please folks.

[packers stem]

Got to say I do find it amazing when anyone suggests they've mistaken the day....the thought if it happening in reality is too ridiculous for words.
I've just been out to the shop to buy milk and tobacco.I know it was today because it was only half an hour ago...

[Abby Normal]

Hi Abby
I'm not doubting Cox, I've no need to, she said she was going to sing and sing she most certainly did.
I'm not doubting maxwell or Maurice Lewis as they both knew her and it was broad daylight. Lewis was 'playing pitch and toss ' in the court.If it was an ideal place to play it I'm sure they did it often and probably bumped into Mary often.Maxwell spoke to her at length....strongest witnesses we've got in the whole jtr case by a country mile...only doubted because if you accept the ID by Barnett it doesn't make sense..
Read the press reports Abby,I know you don't like them but look at how many different reports have eagle eye McCarthy saying 'the poor woman was totally unrecognisable '..... Yet he gets to the inquest and it's 'yes,I'd recognise her dead or alive'.... Why did he change his mind...truth is he didn't, he told the truth to the press when he first spoke and described in great detail the injuries and the room.Most odd for someone who said 'he couldn't look at her'
Was he asked to ID the body officially and just changed his tune at that point?
So what do we have?Mary Kelly alive and a dead body...
I'll say again.. Think of the dishevelled woman seen by Kennedy

Hi PS
can you stop beating around the bush and just say flat out what your idea/theory is?

Im not smart enough to decipher the bits and pieces...

[packers stem]

The woman was found in Mary Kelly's room, identified by Mary Kelly's on/off lover, and Mary Kelly was never seen alive again after the murder. Ergo, it was Mary Kelly in the bed.

Eyewitness testimony is notoriously dodgy. If they honestly believe they saw Mary Kelly that morning, they were either mistaken about the day or mistaken about the person's identity.

Hi Harry
There was very little left to ID
We've been through the eyes and ears/hair many times The ears were cut off,the eyelids removed and the hair bloodsoaked due to the skinning if the forehead etc
McCarthy who knew Kelly well also described her more than once as being totally unrecognisable
And other women had been sleeping in the room over the previous week so the body just being in her room is not evidence of the body being hers