MJK1 and MJK3

[Tom_Wescott]

Hi Wickerman,

Great. A giant leap forward.

Now try to keep it out of your arse.

Regards,

Simon

I'm in awe of this comeback.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

2014 Dale Larner Van Gogh Award Recipient

[Simon Wood]

Hi Wickerman,

You keep picking on Amanda.

Do you have an issue with women?

Regards,

Simon

[Monty]

Simon,

Whilst you sober up, can I ask, how did you present the MJK photos this medical team of yours?

Did you give a reason as to why you were handing over these images, or did just ask them to have a gander, without explaining a thing?

Monty

[GUT]

Hi Observer,

On Ebay I bought a Yashica Electro 35 GS rangefinder camera. I took it out for a spin yesterday in Bonelli Park. My goodness it was a struggle overcoming all that digital ease, but I had a great time. I certainly took less photographs than I would have done with my Canon HS230.

It's my first step towards snagging a Leica.

Regards,

Simon

MMMMMM Leica my 2nd fav camera behind the might Blad for film in both cases because of those beautiful lenes. Though I must say the Yashica is quite a good bit of gear. In digital though I am a true Canon man.

[Amanda Sumner]

You already made it clear your mind was closed on the subject. All you were looking for was acceptance, and all you have to offer was suspicion.
Why you would make the suggestion in the first place can only be matched by asking why anyone would waste time on such a creation.
I'm not sure there is a sensible answer to either question.

If you can't be bothered to get a professional opinion then the subject is not important enough to you.

I think I've made it clear in my other posts what my motives are and have been.
I don't have all the answers and I find the whole issue bizarre.
As for getting professional opinion, I am a qualified nurse myself so anatomy was a big part of my training. My sister, who looks after the terminally ill and deals with death every day, could find nothing anatomically human within the picture, except the hand. Oddly enough, she saw a thumb too.
I have been met with opposition which I expected, and most have been polite with reasoned argument but a few have been extremely rude.
I do find, in my experience, that when one resorts to insults they have usually lost their argument unless, of course, it's in retaliation then it is usually well deserved!
As for being someone who is, apparently, paranoid and hysterical I feel remarkably calm, should anyone feel concerned...

Amanda

[Trevor Marriott]

Hi Wickerman,

You keep picking on Amanda.

Do you have an issue with women?

Regards,

Simon

He has an issue with everyone who posts on here

[Jon Guy]

Jon,I don't think Amanda is being hysterical or paranoid,she is simply questioning the history of this photograph and saying until there are answers the debate will continue,as it seems to be doing.There seem to be enough people interested in this photograph for the thread to continue.In the scheme of things of course we can be certain a young woman was murdered in Millers Court on that night - that is certain in my view.Who and why is open to discussion.The thread has evolved fron Amanda's legitimate concerns,to some dismissive comments on her thoughts,to Simon's recent comments,and so on.I just worry that some less experienced posters will be put off posting on Casebook because of personal rebuke.I think what we all have in common is a serious interest in all elements of the case or why are we here?

Hello Daisyhall

I was not referring to Amanda as hysterical and paranoid, I apologise to both Amanda and yourself if I was not clearer. I was actually referring to Casebook`s resident hysterique.
Without going back to re-read my post, I`m sure my comments regarding this thread were positive.

[Daisyhall1]

Hello Daisyhall

I was not referring to Amanda as hysterical and paranoid, I apologise to both Amanda and yourself if I was not clearer. I was actually referring to Casebook`s resident hysterique.
Without going back to re-read my post, I`m sure my comments regarding this thread were positive.

Sorry Jon,thanks for that ,I was feeling Amanda was being harshly treated on this thread after simply posing some interesting questions.Some members were dismissive of the idea of the possibility that the photo was not genuine or declaring absolutely it was.I think in Mary Kelly's case nothing is really absolute- we have a body and a post-mortem that proves there was a butchered body in Millers Court.Other than that,all is open to discussion which is what I hope we can do reasonably on this forum.

[Amanda Sumner]

Hello Daisyhall

I was not referring to Amanda as hysterical and paranoid, I apologise to both Amanda and yourself if I was not clearer. I was actually referring to Casebook`s resident hysterique.
Without going back to re-read my post, I`m sure my comments regarding this thread were positive.

I'm relieved to hear it as it was not clear at all!
Apology accepted. When I start to feel paranoid and hysterical, I will let everyone know.

[Carol]

Hi Amanda,

I've had my own doubts about the MJK 3 photo for some time. I'm sorry you have been getting such a lot of bad feedback.

I've been looking through as many photographs as I can find (especially in books) to get a definite answer to the problem. I've even looked at my own hands in the mirror. I haven't found anything that I can post on here in all honesty. However, I agree with you that it DOES look like a thumb - a thumb with the tip 'hidden' by material. The angle of the wrist and the wrist bone really do seem to me to be showing a RIGHT hand.

Carol

[Amanda Sumner]

Hi Amanda,

I've had my own doubts about the MJK 3 photo for some time. I'm sorry you have been getting such a lot of bad feedback.

I've been looking through as many photographs as I can find (especially in books) to get a definite answer to the problem. I've even looked at my own hands in the mirror. I haven't found anything that I can post on here in all honesty. However, I agree with you that it DOES look like a thumb - a thumb with the tip 'hidden' by material. The angle of the wrist and the wrist bone really do seem to me to be showing a RIGHT hand.

Carol

Thank you Carol.
It's an odd photo, isn't it?
I wonder where Millen got it from?
It's a shame you cannot find any more about it, but it obviously needs to be looked into more.
I believe it is a right hand, so it's nice to have it confirmed by others that I'm not crazy!

Kind regards,

Amanda

[Phil Carter]

I believe it is a right hand, so it's nice to have it confirmed by others that I'm not crazy!

Kind regards,

Amanda

Hello Amanda,

Far from it. Right hand believer here too. :-)


best wishes

Phil

[Natasha]

Hi All

Just to throw a spanner in the works

Could it be possible that MJK3 was taken by a different camera to that of MJK2 (This is the full length pic)?

That would explain why MJK3 appears to be the right hand.

Maybe MJK2 is in reverse.

Some cameras did not have a mirror which is why photos appeared the wrong way round. Whilst cameras with a mirror/reflective surface would appear the right way round.

It could also explain the poor quality of the MJK2 print. I know it is a copy, but it still looks like a poor quality compared to that of MJK3

To be honest I think Bond's report needs more scrutiny, maybe the question to ask is weather Bond's report is legit.

[Phil Carter]

I think in Mary Kelly's case nothing is really absolute- we have a body and a post-mortem that proves there was a butchered body in Millers Court.Other than that,all is open to discussion which is what I hope we can do reasonably on this forum.

Hello Daisyhall1,

Agreed. Excellent comment. Of course nobody actually needs to spend valuable time studying the photograph nor attempting to trace the provenance if they have no wish or need to.. after all, why learn something new when ignorance is instantaneous?

kind regards


Phil

[Amanda Sumner]

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I've had trouble putting these up, and they are not as clear as on my original files.

However, I just wanted to point out other issues I've had with this photograph. The one on the left, there is a strange square box with a button in the middle of the very bottom of the picture. This was shown before butI had hoped it would be clearer here.
Now, I hope most people are familiar enough with the human anatomy, that we don't usually have one of those attached to our bodies...so what is it and why is there?

The photo on the right shows what appears to be a drape hanging down from the table. One can just about see a pattern on the cloth, if one zooms in. In MJK1 there are no drapes hanging down covering the underneath of the table, and we can clearly see under it. I hope all can see this. It is all very strange is it not?