How close have people gotten

[Wickerman]

I just think that there may be TINY bits of evidence, especially with Mary Kelly if any of them, because the Ripper spent the most time with her. That was his masterpiece. He got to take his time and frenzy with her. I don't care if it is 100+ years there's still a tiny chance something is there. It may not be dna, hell it may be a bite mark somewhere, it may be anything, any small clue would do. Get enough small clues it'd point right to whomever it is. Or, the RIGHT small clue may do it. it all depends.

True, perhaps you mean like minute hairline cuts across the lower jaw and front (face) of the skull. The neck was apparently cut numerous times, any one of which could have scored the vertibrae.

[Pcdunn]

This is amazing. It seems to support the newspaper reports that Mary was attractive.

[clark2710]

True, perhaps you mean like minute hairline cuts across the lower jaw and front (face) of the skull. The neck was apparently cut numerous times, any one of which could have scored the vertibrae.

Exactly, sometimes you can find clues on the body that back then couldn't really mean anything as they didn't have the knowledge we do today? I'm just sayin

[Marie Jeanette Davies]

Dr Bond made his report specifically to address the wounds, which is why he was involved in the first place, at the behest of Anderson. So, as the false teeth were not wounds he may not have thought it necessary to list that detail. Also, given the lacerations around the mouth, they may not have opened the mouth until the formal post-mortem by Dr Phillips on Saturday.

Mrs Pheonix appears to have known Kelly, or at least her brother-in-law must have been acquainted with Kelly for the best part of a year. So, the false teeth must have been common knowledge among those families, and her friends at Breezers Hill.

Yes, Mrs. Phoenix definitely knew her through the Morgensterns, but I don't understand why Barnett, her partner of eighteen months, didn't mention that particular feature. Or Mrs. Prater, for that matter. Do you think it's possible that Phoenix made it up out of jealousy?

[Marie Jeanette Davies]

That's impressive!

[Marie Jeanette Davies]

The problem is, the Catholic church won't allow her remains to be searched for. I'm Italian and unfortunately I know a thing or two about Catholicism, being a lapsed Catholic myself. Catholics believe that the dead mustn't be "disturbed" and their remains disinterred.

[Marie Jeanette Davies]

The high definition blowup of MJK2 does show two teeth that are likely to be false teeth.

Hi DJA!
Can you point them to me, please? I'm afraid I can't spot them.

[DJA]

Her lips are at the bottom left of her head.
The two teeth are easy to spot.

[DJA]

Yes, Mrs. Phoenix definitely knew her through the Morgensterns, but I don't understand why Barnett, her partner of eighteen months, didn't mention that particular feature. Or Mrs. Prater, for that matter. Do you think it's possible that Phoenix made it up out of jealousy?

I've long suspected that Barnett's relationship with Mary Ann Kelly was not what we surmise.

[Marie Jeanette Davies]

I've long suspected that Barnett's relationship with Mary Ann Kelly was not what we surmise.

What do you mean? Do you think that Barnett was her pimp?

[DJA]

What do you mean? Do you think that Barnett was her pimp?

Reckon he was infatuated with her but not sharing the bed.

He left because she was sleeping with another woman.

Remember Mary worked at a GAY House in the West End.

[Marie Jeanette Davies]

Reckon he was infatuated with her but not sharing the bed.

He left because she was sleeping with another woman.

Remember Mary worked at a GAY House in the West End.

I don't share your view, DJA, but obviously I respect it. I think that the term "gay house" referred to a brothel.

[Dupin]

Hi MJD. You may become aware that some posters like to use nudge nudge wink wink to a blind bat kind of postings.
Let me posit what might be implied: doubtless I will stand corrected if I am wrong.

Yes gay didn't mean what it does today. But homosexuality was ignored unless it became explicit and could not be ignored, as in Wilde, when such an allegation let alone proof would ruin a professional career, and bar a man from polite society. Gay men tended to marry women who accepted their leaning. (Today some call them "beards", as in false beards.)

So, maybe Barnett was gay and Mary his alibi. Maybe this is how she learned that Sutton was gay, if he was. Maybe Barnett and Sutton both attended Cleveland Street parties. Maybe that is why she was blackmailing Sutton, if she did, who maybe turned into the Ripper, if he did. Sutton had boundless medical ability, access to long thin blades, worked alongside Whitechapel, and maybe had all the canonical five as patients. As a candidate: better than Sickert. What I have never understood is why the canonical five wouldn't beggar off once the first two had been done in. Shades of the Sherlock Holmes story about the five pips, and Agatha Christie's novel which cannot be named.

HTH
Dupin

[Marie Jeanette Davies]

Hi MJD. You may become aware that some posters like to use nudge nudge wink wink to a blind bat kind of postings.
Let me posit what might be implied: doubtless I will stand corrected if I am wrong.

Yes gay didn't mean what it does today. But homosexuality was ignored unless it became explicit and could not be ignored, as in Wilde, when such an allegation let alone proof would ruin a professional career, and bar a man from polite society. Gay men tended to marry women who accepted their leaning. (Today some call them "beards", as in false beards.)

So, maybe Barnett was gay and Mary his alibi. Maybe this is how she learned that Sutton was gay, if he was. Maybe Barnett and Sutton both attended Cleveland Street parties. Maybe that is why she was blackmailing Sutton, if she did, who maybe turned into the Ripper, if he did. Sutton had boundless medical ability, access to long thin blades, worked alongside Whitechapel, and maybe had all the canonical five as patients. As a candidate: better than Sickert. What I have never understood is why the canonical five wouldn't beggar off once the first two had been done in. Shades of the Sherlock Holmes story about the five pips, and Agatha Christie's novel which cannot be named.

HTH
Dupin

Hi Dupin!
This is some Conspiracy Theory stuff, huh? I know you're ironic. I don't think that Sutton was the Ripper. Actually, I'm not sure the latter had any specific anatomical knowledge or surgical training. As far as homosexuality is concerned, it was quite a taboo back then. Gay men were sentenced to prison time. Gays and lesbians were closeted. So I doubt that Mary was into women and slept with them, while Barnett acted as a "beard". According to me, she truly was a kind-hearted, compassionate woman who let her homeless friends share her tiny room with her. The alternative to this scenario is that she charged them with money in exchange for a place to sleep in, but then she would have had some money to pay her arrears, unless she drank them.

[DJA]

So,why did Barnett leave?