Kelly's Killer

[Carol]

Hi Jimi, in my opinion she is a ripper victim, no question at all, but she's not a random victim, hence the noted differences (victimology, indoors) which might prompt one to think she was a stand alone.

I agree. Kelly was a Ripper victim and I think it possible that she was 'targetted' because she had a 'private' place - her home. I think it also possible that Kelly had 'serviced' the Ripper before, but not in her own home. As she seemed to be so concerned about the Ripper I don't think she would have taken home a man that she was not already acquainted with and felt safe with.

Carol

[DVV]

Hi Jimi, in my opinion she is a ripper victim, no question at all, but she's not a random victim, hence the noted differences (victimology, indoors) which might prompt one to think she was a stand alone.

[Jimi]

Kellys Killer

Hi All
Hi Caz.
Thanks for that.
I agree totally with what you say about the crime being made to fit the subject. Kelly has to have been a ripper victim, well cos it fits.
For me ,from what little I know about him, Napper was an 'anger-excitation sociopath'. Listen to me, I sound great and I think this may be what leads to a confusion about murders. We try to give titles and pigeon hole killers as we try to understand them, but every killer and every victim is different. Basically, Napper liked to kill women and play with their bodies and that is very similar to JTR.
The only difference between catching JTR and catching Napper was technology.
Keep Well
Jimi

[caz]

Hi Jimi,

How refreshing to see someone admitting it would fit better with their own theory if only they could justify a conclusion that Mary Kelly's murder was a one-off.

It would be interesting to see what proportion of those who argue for excluding Kelly from the ripper's tally have become wedded to a theory that doesn't really work otherwise. My guess is a very high proportion, because everything about this woman's murder, even without the previous ones, is suggestive to me of an opportunist offender who did what he did for the sheer hell of doing it, ie for no conventional motive.

Look at what Robert Napper did to a woman in her own home and what he had done previously to a woman on Wimbledon Common. These are very rare crimes of violence against women but they do happen and they are documented. Mary Kelly's murder was similarly rare, but far from unique as one - very possibly the last - of a particularly violent series. Those with an agenda would make it appear unique in the history of crime.

Love,

Caz
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[Jimi]

I have been asked to start this thread as there seems to be a lot of 'discussion' as to whether Mary Kelly was a Ripper victim.

There are 3 possible scenarios that I can see

1. Stand Alone murder
2. Copycat Murder
3. Ripper Victim

It is a lot easier for me if Kelly wasn't a ripper victim as this would fit in with the theory Joseph Levy recognised his cousin Jacob and put him under some form of house arrest, however I don't really feel like I can justify this as I do think Kelly was a Ripper victim, for me it was a logical escalation.

However there seems to be talk on the boards recently about Kelly not being a Jtr killing, so I thought we could put it together on one thread. If anyone has any thoughts on my 3 scenarios or indeed has some of there own please feel free to add them.

Keep well
Jimi