Mjk

[Scorpio]

Watching a JtR doc the other day, the presenter stated that an axe was used on MJK. Was the idea not mooted by an individual from a medical
background who studied the Millers Court photo and concluded that Miss Kelly's thigh bone looked split vertically. So is the story conjecture and not fact?. Still, interesting theory though; but why an axe?, a whole host of weaponry could have inflicted the suspected injury: a Bowie knife, a Kukri,
a sword bayonet, and probably lots more.

[Wickerman]

Watching a JtR doc the other day, the presenter stated that an axe was used on MJK. Was the idea not mooted by an individual from a medical
background who studied the Millers Court photo and concluded that Miss Kelly's thigh bone looked split vertically. So is the story conjecture and not fact?. Still, interesting theory though; but why an axe?, a whole host of weaponry could have inflicted the suspected injury: a Bowie knife, a Kukri,
a sword bayonet, and probably lots more.

I'm going back some years now but in the late 90's we debated this idea that an axe had been used on Mary Kelly, and I'm sure one of the proponents, if not the originator of the theory, was Nick Warren (founder of Ripperana), who was himself a practicing surgeon.

Regards, Jon S.

[DVV]

Yes Jon, it was Nick Warren. (Who made this unlikely suggestion, I mean.)

[Scorpio]

I'm going back some years now but in the late 90's we debated this idea that an axe had been used on Mary Kelly, and I'm sure one of the proponents, if not the originator of the theory, was Nick Warren (founder of Ripperana), who was himself a practicing surgeon.

Regards, Jon S.

Was any conclusion reached?; yes,that's a silly question really.

[Wickerman]

Was any conclusion reached?; yes,that's a silly question really.

This was only really a suggestion, there was no evidence in support of it except the photograph of her remains. The idea just faded.
It is hard to accept that five medical professionals would not find some evidence of an axe being used. While it is true that the official post mortem has not survived, juicy details were often leaked to the press, this should have been in that category had any of the doctors determined it to have been the case.

Regards, Jon S.

[Scorpio]

I firmly believe that MJK knew her killer;but what could be the nature of that relationship?. Assuming that he was an ex client is to easy and abandons a wealth of possibilities: quack/abortionist, policeman, friend of a friend, and local businessman are a few such possibilities.

[Stephen Thomas]

I firmly believe that MJK knew her killer.

Why on earth do you believe that?

[richardnunweek]

Hi ,
I also am of the opinion that Mary knew the person who killed her, she would never have taken a stranger back to her room in the middle of the night, she was to paranoid for that.
But it is entirely possible that if her death was later [ daylight morning] then her guard could have been down knowing that the killer was a night owl, and her safety was secure...
I would suggest that she was known to the killer, and known by the victim.
Regards Richard.

[Stephen Thomas]

I also am of the opinion that Mary knew the person who killed her, she would never have taken a stranger back to her room in the middle of the night
.

Why on earth do you believe that?

[Wickerman]

Hi ,
I also am of the opinion that Mary knew the person who killed her, she would never have taken a stranger back to her room in the middle of the night, she was to paranoid for that.

Psst Richard, that's what those rooms were for.... renting out for prostitutes to earn a living. Not for friendly soiree's

Regards, Jon S.

[richardnunweek]

Hi Jon,
I cannot agree that McCarthy's rents were occupied for prostitution, indeed they were mostly occupied by couples, and the landlord was reputed to stand no nonsense .
I am not suggesting that his morals were saintly but we should not forget he was a family man, and open prostitution with his consent, would not have been tolerated.
Can you confirm otherwise?
Regards Richard.

[Wickerman]

Hi Richard.

I'm sure I had seen a press article where McCarthy admitted what some of the rooms were being used for.
Anyhow, Mrs Prater informs us of their use..

"Elizabeth Prater, the occupant of the first floor front room, was one of those who saw the body through the window. She affirms that she spoke to the deceased on Thursday. She knew that Kelly had been living with a man, and that they had quarrelled about ten days since. It was a common thing for the women living in these tenements to bring men home with them. They could do so as they pleased."

I can't imagine Prater having a reason to throw McCarthy under the bus (as they say), and McCarthy let Prater stay on as a tenant for years after. He was present when Prater said this so, it cannot have concerned him.

Regards, Jon S.

[Robert]

Cox said that she got her living on the streets.

[Damaso Marte]

Hi Jon,
I cannot agree that McCarthy's rents were occupied for prostitution, indeed they were mostly occupied by couples, and the landlord was reputed to stand no nonsense .
I am not suggesting that his morals were saintly but we should not forget he was a family man, and open prostitution with his consent, would not have been tolerated.
Can you confirm otherwise?
Regards Richard.

Even supposing this were true, landlords do not always get what they want. I routinely violate some of my landlord's rules (though not the one against whoring) and have never been caught.

MJK had just suffered an event that made money particularly necessary for her: even if her landlord had a strict no-whoring policy, this was a woman in need of cash.

[Damaso Marte]

Cox said that she got her living on the streets.

Before her living arrangements changed, no?