Layout of Kelly's Room

[j.r-ahde]

Hello, Jane!

Looking at the photos, I find it possible, that the body could have been slightly removed by the photographer. I mean, of course, the photo of the close range. And there could be the hand of the photographer at the end of the photo too!

Then; the reason, why they didn't open the door immediately. It could be possible, that they presumed the killer could still have been hiding somewhere inside!

All the best
Jukka

[packers stem]

I'm probably in the minority here again but every time i look at the photo of the yard and the location of the window in relation to the door i find it hard to see how Kelly could have reached the door latch from the window.(even more so with the plan on this thread).
It's at least two bricks length from the corner to the door and being across the angle from the window would make it even further to reach.I don't know which pane was broken but it would IMO have to be the bottom right pane and would probably have to be fully removed to allow access right up to the shoulder.
Bearing in mind the type of upper body clothing worn by women in those days(i mean were not talking t-shirts here),half drunk and in the dark, i doubt it would be possible without removing the remains of the pane.
On top of that if Kelly took anyone back to her room she would have had to show the client how access was gained to the room.
After discovering the body it appears half the met were gathered in the court with ample time to figure out how to open the door via the window if this was possible.
Nothing of what Barnett said of Kelly has been proven to be true probably through the deceit of the latter and i suspect that the missing key was never missing at all.
Another question would have to be wouldn't McCarthy ,as the landlord,possess a spare key?
Also if the key had been lost previously wouldn't Kelly have asked McCarthy if there was a spare?Surely this would be something he may have mentioned to Abberline,if she had made such an enquiry.I can only presume she never made the enquiry because the key was never lost.

[Rubyretro]

Hi Packers..I read an old thread on Casebook (probably under the MJK topics) where the feasibility of opening the door from the window was discussed at length. Some people went to great trouble to calculate measurements based on photos and average arm lengths, and the conclusion was that an average man, or a tall woman (such as Mary) would be able to open the door..a small person would have had a great deal more difficulty.

[Stephen Thomas]

They were waiting for the bloodhounds. End of story.

[packers stem]

Hi Rubyretro
I did search for an appropriate thread but didn't find it,i'll have another look and thanks for the info.Far from convinced about the outcome though ,Mary wasn't tall particularly just tall for the day,the physical dimensions of the room don't change over time and the shoulder would have to have got throught the pane.
An average height orangutan shouldn't have any difficulty.
As we can't prove anything at all about Kelly,and lets face it with the 'evidence?' given by Barnett we should be able to,then i'm pretty dubious about everything surrounding Kelly,Barnett and that room.

[corey123]

Hello Stem,

The thread she speaks about is well know to many. It was going on when I first joined the forum. If you would like I can find it for you and give you a link.