Morganstone

[Sam Flynn]

As many will know, Kelly was said to have lived with a certain "Morganstone" in Stepney before she met Joe Barnett. So far, all attempts to locate Morganstone have hit a dead end - indeed, if I'm not mistaken, not even the name has been found to exist. However, that may have just changed.

On searching the New York passenger lists, I've just encountered two women named Morganstone - presumably mother and daughter? - both of whom oscillate between English and American nationalities depending on which entry one reads:



1941 was a year of much travel for this pair, it seems! Anyhow, the bottom line is that, if Ethel Morganstone was born in 1897/98 in England (or some English dependent territory), could her dad just possibly have been Mary Kelly's elusive boyfriend?

[Scott Nelson]

Also check Morganstern.

[Sam Flynn]

Also check Morganstern.

Absolutely, Scott - I have done, but without convincing results. What struck me about these passenger lists was that it was only here, and for the first time, that I'd seen actual confirmation of the name "Morganstone", outside of the Mary Kelly story.

[Bob Hinton]

Of all the countries, in all the world......

they come from Sweden, original home of Liz Stride. I wonder if Morganstone could be an Anglicised version of a Swedish name?

[JSchmidt]

Maybe also Morgenstern (German for Morning Star).

[Matfelon]

I think Morgenstern is quite likely.

[Matfelon]

Another possibility would be Morgenstein (Stein is german for stone).

[Sam Flynn]

Thanks, Matfelon - although the "Morganstern/stein" angle has been pursued before, that was the first time I'd seen that article. The only point I'm making here is that Dolores and Ethel represent the first definite sightings of people called "Morganstone" that I've encountered (outside the Mary Kelly story) up till now.

[Simon Wood]

Hi All,

In the pre-tsunami days of Casebook I put forward the idea that Morganstone may not have been the name of Kelly's paramour, but rather that he may have been Welsh and came from Morganstown, once a small village, now a district of greater Cardiff, about five or six miles north-west of the city centre.

I offer the idea again for your delectation.

Regards,

Simon

[Phil H]

Resurrecting this thread to ask:

Does anyone recall a thread in which it was claimed someone called Morgantone had been found (I think in the directories), near Stepney gas works?

I have tried a search with out success. I am sure I have not imagined this.

Incidentally, can some informed member tell me what is the latest position on the search for MJK - is there a latest favoured candidate?

Re-reading Chris Scott's excellent monograph (but my copy published in 2005 so much may have happened in the meantime) I see he gives some credence to a Mary Ann Kelly from Flintshire. Has that idea now been totally discredited? If so on what evidence?

Phil

[lynn cates]

Morganstern

Hello Phil. There was a piece in "Rip" or "NIR" in which an Adrianus Morganstern was proposed as "Morganstone."

There is a recent discussion of this on another site.

Hope that helps.

Cheers.
LC

[Phil H]

Thanks Lynn.

I was aware of Adrianus - and thanks vm for the other info. But I was sure there was a thread on here, as I recall with a picture of the gasworks site.

Phil

[Debra A]

Hello Phil. There was a piece in "Rip" or "NIR" in which an Adrianus Morganstern was proposed as "Morganstone."

There is a recent discussion of this on another site.

Hope that helps.

Cheers.
LC

Adrianus Morgenstern's brother appears on the 1901 census under the name Morgenstone, rather than 'stern.
I just thought that worth mentioning in light of Sam Flynn's initial posts to the this thread.

Phil, I remembered that Roy Corduroy posted some interesting maps and discussion of Stepney Gas works here:

http://forum.casebook.org/showthread.php?t=3705

I don't know if it is the thread you were looking for or not?

[lynn cates]

thread

Hello Phil. Thanks. The pleasure is all mine.

I think Debs has answered the thread question below.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

suddenly stoned

Hello Debs. Thanks. That may be the one.

That is news about the brother.

Wonder why "stern" became "stone" and not "star"?

Cheers.
LC