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This is something I was working on a little while ago. Obviously there's no new information here; it was just a way for me to sort out the comings and goings of Miller's Court on the 9th of November.
I hope it's not too arrogant for me to say that I hope it helps others out.
Basically it's what the title of the thread says: it's a list of the possibilities of when Mary Kelly was murdered and who by. If there are some things that you feel are definite facts it'll narrow down the field for you.
For example if you feel that George Hutchinson wouldn't lie without reason, you won't entertain possibilities 1, 2a, 2b, 3a and 3b. Similarly if you feel Dr Bond was correct about what time Mary Kelly had her fish and chips you would only consider possibilities 1, 2a, 2b, 3a, 3b, 4a, 4b, 5a, 5b & 5c. And if you believe that Prater and Lewis definitely heard Mary Kelly's cry of murder you would only believe 7a, 7b and 7c.
I've provided a list of assumptions, so have issue with them if you want, but that's really for a different discussion.
I'm also interested to see what options people pick. I've tried to be as objective as possible so tell me if I've missed something even if it's another assumption I've made that isn't in the list.
Enjoy.
The Sixteen Possibilities of the Murder of Mary Jane Kelly
Suspects
Blotchy-Face: The man seen with Mary Kelly by Mary Ann Cox at approx. 11.45p.m.
Astrakhan Man: The man seen with Mary Kelly by George Hutchinson at approx. 2a.m.
George Hutchinson: The witness who injected himself into the case and was seen by Sarah Lewis approx. 2.30a.m.
Client X: An unknown client, unseen by any witness. Basically anyone not covered by the above three.
Assumptions
Body: Mary Kelly.
Time of Death: Between 12.31a.m. and 4a.m. November 9th.
Wherever possible: That Mary Ann Cox, Elizabeth Prater and Sarah Lewis are telling the truth.
Mary Ann Cox: When she heard Mary Kelly singing coming back to the court it was about 12.45a.m.
Sarah Lewis: That the man she saw opposite Miller’s Court was George Hutchinson.
Cry of “Murder!” heard by Elizabeth Prater and Sarah Lewis: The same occurrence and heard just before 4a.m.
George Hutchinson: If telling the truth, witnessed at least the interval between 2a.m. and 3a.m. Also that he was correct in saying he recognised Mary Kelly.
Blotchy-Face: Didn’t hang around 13 Miller’s Court after 2a.m.
Most likely killer(s): The man (men) last left unattended with or near Mary Jane Kelly. Also that murderer was either a client or posing as a client.
Post Death Lingering by Murderer: No longer than an hour.
Meal eaten by Kelly: Happened between two to three hours before death.
Kelly Asleep or Ready to Sleep: Because of the folded clothes and the cut through sheet, Mary Kelly was lying in bed getting ready to sleep for the night when murdered and was not completely drunk before retiring. If she realised she was being accompanied in the room by the killer before her death she was comfortable enough with them to let down her guard, even though she was terrified about crossing paths with Jack the Ripper.
Contents of the Sixteen Possibilities
1. 12.31a.m. – 1.00a.m.
1. Blotchy-Face
2. 1.01a.m. – 1.30a.m.
2a. Blotchy-Face
2b. Client X
3. 1.31a.m. – 2.00a.m.
3a. Blotchy-Face
3b. Client X
4. 2.01a.m. – 2.30a.m.
4a. Astrakhan Man
4b. Client X
5. 2.31a.m. – 3.00a.m.
5a. Astrakhan Man
5b. George Hutchinson
5c. Client X
6. 3.01a.m. – 3.30a.m.
6a. Astrakhan Man
6b. George Hutchinson
6c. Client X
7. 3.31a.m. – 4.00a.m.
7a. Astrakhan Man
7b. George Hutchinson
7c. Client X
1. 12.31a.m. – 1.00a.m.
MOST LIKELY KILLER(S): Blotchy-Face
Mary Ann Cox: Incorrect about how drunk Mary Kelly is.
Dr Bond: Possibly correct about what time the fish and chips were eaten.
Meal eaten by Kelly: Between 8.31 p.m. – 11p.m.
George Hutchinson: Lying for no discernable reason.
Cry of murder heard by Prater and Lewis: Irrelevant.
1. Blotchy-Face:
Blotchy-Face killed Mary Kelly within fifteen minutes of being last heard singing by Mary Ann Cox.
2. 1.01a.m. – 1.30a.m.
MOST LIKELY KILLER(S): Blotchy-Face/Client X
Mary Ann Cox: Either incorrect about how drunk Mary Kelly is or she manages to sober up between one hour and sixteen minutes and one hour and forty-five minutes later.
Dr Bond: Possibly correct about what time the fish and chips were eaten.
Meal eaten by Kelly: Between 9.01p.m.-11.30p.m.
George Hutchinson: Lying for no discernable reason.
Cry of murder heard by Prater and Lewis: Irrelevant.
2a. Blotchy-Face:
Elizabeth Prater: Possible that her testimony that there was no sign of activity from 13 Miller’s Court coincides with Mary Kelly having retired to bed for the night before 1.40a.m.
Killed Mary Kelly between sixteen to forty five minutes after last being heard singing by Mary Ann Cox.
2b. Client X:
Mary Kelly snuck in and out in relative quickness to get another client without Mary Ann Cox or Elizabeth Prater seeing her not long after 1a.m.
3. 1.31a.m. – 2.00a.m.
MOST LIKELY KILLER(S): Blotchy-Face/Client X
Mary Ann Cox: Either incorrect about how drunk Mary Kelly is or she manages to sober up between one hour and forty-six minutes and two hours and fifteen later.
Mary Ann Cox and Elizabeth Prater: Killer was very quiet around 1.40a.m. and didn’t have a light on in number 13 near 3a.m.
Dr Bond: Likely correct about what time the fish and chips were eaten.
Meal eaten by Kelly: Between 9.31p.m.-11.45p.m. or eaten in Mary Kelly’s room 11.46p.m.-12a.m., smuggled in without Mary Ann Cox noticing.
George Hutchinson: Lying for no discernable reason.
Elizabeth Prater: Possible that her testimony that there was no sign of activity from 13 Miller’s Court coincides with Mary Kelly having retired to bed for the night before 1.40a.m.
Cry of murder heard by Prater and Lewis: Irrelevant.
3a. Blotchy-Face:
Killed Mary Kelly between forty six minutes to one hour and fifteen minutes after last being heard singing by Mary Ann Cox.
3b. Client X:
Mary Kelly had either snuck in the new client after 1 o’clock and the killer waited half an hour or she left and got a new client after 1.40a.m. and was unobserved by the documented witnesses.
4. 2.01a.m. – 2.30a.m.
MOST LIKELY KILLER(S): Astrakhan Man (or variation of) /Client X
Mary Ann Cox: Either incorrect about how drunk Mary Kelly is or she manages to sober up between two hours and sixteen minutes and two hours and forty-five later. Killer didn’t have a light on in number 13 near 3a.m.
Dr Bond: Likely correct about what time the fish and chips were eaten.
Meal eaten by Kelly: Between 10.01p.m.--11.45p.m. or eaten in Mary Kelly’s room 11.46p.m.-12.30a.m., smuggled in without Mary Ann Cox noticing.
Cry of murder heard by Prater and Lewis: Irrelevant.
4a. Astrakhan Man:
George Hutchinson: Telling the truth / Embellishing the truth
Astrakhan Man dispatches Mary Kelly after about 2.15a.m. almost immediately after seen by Hutchinson.
4b. Client X:
George Hutchinson: Lying for no discernable reason.
Mary Kelly had either snuck in the new client after 1 o’clock and the killer waited an hour or she left and got a new client after 1.40a.m. and was unobserved by the documented witnesses.
5. 2.31a.m. – 3.00a.m.
MOST LIKELY KILLER(S): Astrakhan Man (or variation of)/George Hutchinson /Client X
Mary Ann Cox: Either incorrect about how drunk Mary Kelly is or she manages to sober up between two hours and forty-six minutes and three hours and fifteen later. Killer didn’t have a light on in number 13 near 3a.m.
Dr Bond: Possibly correct about what time the fish and chips were eaten.
Meal eaten by Kelly: Between 10.31p.m.-11.45p.m. or eaten in Mary Kelly’s room 11.46p.m.-12.45a.m., smuggled in without Mary Ann Cox noticing, or snuck out and ate between 12.46-1a.m. without being noticed by Mary Ann Cox or Elizabeth Prater.
Cry of murder heard by Prater and Lewis: Irrelevant.
5a. Astrakhan Man:
George Hutchinson: Telling the truth / Embellishing the truth
Astrakhan Man waits half an hour after seen by Hutchinson to kill Mary Kelly.
5b. George Hutchinson:
George Hutchinson: Lying to cover guilt.
Elizabeth Prater: Possible that her testimony that there was no sign of activity from 13 Miller’s Court coincides with Mary Kelly having retired to bed for the night before 1.40a.m.
Entered the room with or without Mary Kelly’s knowledge but wasn’t alarmed by him until the point of attack.
5c. Client X:
George Hutchinson: Lying for no discernable reason.
Mary Kelly had either snuck in the new client after 1 o’clock and the killer waited an hour and a half or she left and got a new client after 1.40a.m. and was unobserved by the documented witnesses.
6. 3.01a.m. – 3.30a.m.
MOST LIKELY KILLER(S): Astrakhan Man (or variation of)/George Hutchinson /Client X
Mary Ann Cox: Either incorrect about how drunk Mary Kelly is or she manages to sober up between three hours and sixteen minutes and three hours and forty-five later. Killer didn’t have a light on in number 13 near 3a.m.
Dr Bond: Incorrect about what time the fish and chips were eaten.
Meal eaten by Kelly: Between 11.01p.m.--11.45p.m. or eaten in Mary Kelly’s room 11.46p.m.-12.45a.m., smuggled in without Mary Ann Cox noticing, or snuck out and ate between 12.46-1.30a.m. without being noticed by Mary Ann Cox or Elizabeth Prater, returning before 1a.m. or after 1.40a.m.
Cry of murder heard by Prater and Lewis: Irrelevant.
6a. Astrakhan Man:
George Hutchinson: Telling the truth / Embellishing the truth
Astrakhan Man waits an hour after seen by Hutchinson to kill Mary Kelly.
6b. George Hutchinson:
George Hutchinson: Lying to cover guilt.
Manages to not be seen by Mary Ann Cox who returns to the court not long after 3a.m. Entered the room with or without Mary Kelly’s knowledge but wasn’t alarmed by him until the point of attack.
Elizabeth Prater: Possible that her testimony that there was no sign of activity from 13 Miller’s Court coincides with Mary Kelly having retired to bed for the night before 1.40a.m.
6c. Client X:
George Hutchinson: Irrelevant testimony.
Mary Kelly had either snuck in the new client after 1 o’clock and the killer waited two hours or she left and got a new client after 1.40a.m. and was unobserved by the documented witnesses or got a new client after Astrakhan Man.
7. 3.31a.m. – 4.00a.m.
MOST LIKELY KILLER(S): Astrakhan Man (or variation of)/ George Hutchinson /Client X
Mary Ann Cox: Either incorrect about how drunk Mary Kelly is or she manages to sober up between three hours and forty-six and four and fifteen later. Killer didn’t have a light on in number 13 near 3a.m.
Dr Bond: Incorrect about what time the fish and chips were eaten.
Meal eaten by Kelly: Between 11.31p.m.-11.45p.m. or eaten in Mary Kelly’s room 11.46p.m.-12.45a.m., smuggled in without Mary Ann Cox noticing, or snuck out and ate between 12.46-1a.m. without being noticed by Mary Ann Cox or Elizabeth Prater, returning before 1a.m. or after 1.40a.m., or left and ate between 1.40a.m. and 2a.m.
Cry of murder heard by Prater and Lewis: Coincides with death of Mary Kelly.
7a. Astrakhan Man:
George Hutchinson: Telling the truth / Embellishing the truth
Astrakhan Man waits an hour and a half after seen by Hutchinson to kill Mary Kelly.
7b. George Hutchinson:
George Hutchinson: Lying to cover guilt.
Elizabeth Prater: Possible that her testimony that there was no sign of activity from 13 Miller’s Court coincides with Mary Kelly having retired to bed for the night before 1.40a.m.
Entered the room with or without Mary Kelly’s knowledge but wasn’t alarmed by him until the point of attack.
7c. Client X:
George Hutchinson: Irrelevant testimony.
Mary Kelly had either snuck in the new client after 1 o’clock and the killer waited two and a half hours or she left and got a new client after 1.40a.m. and was unobserved by the documented witnesses or got a new client after Astrakhan Man.
I hope it's not too arrogant for me to say that I hope it helps others out.
Basically it's what the title of the thread says: it's a list of the possibilities of when Mary Kelly was murdered and who by. If there are some things that you feel are definite facts it'll narrow down the field for you.
For example if you feel that George Hutchinson wouldn't lie without reason, you won't entertain possibilities 1, 2a, 2b, 3a and 3b. Similarly if you feel Dr Bond was correct about what time Mary Kelly had her fish and chips you would only consider possibilities 1, 2a, 2b, 3a, 3b, 4a, 4b, 5a, 5b & 5c. And if you believe that Prater and Lewis definitely heard Mary Kelly's cry of murder you would only believe 7a, 7b and 7c.
I've provided a list of assumptions, so have issue with them if you want, but that's really for a different discussion.
I'm also interested to see what options people pick. I've tried to be as objective as possible so tell me if I've missed something even if it's another assumption I've made that isn't in the list.
Enjoy.
The Sixteen Possibilities of the Murder of Mary Jane Kelly
Suspects
Blotchy-Face: The man seen with Mary Kelly by Mary Ann Cox at approx. 11.45p.m.
Astrakhan Man: The man seen with Mary Kelly by George Hutchinson at approx. 2a.m.
George Hutchinson: The witness who injected himself into the case and was seen by Sarah Lewis approx. 2.30a.m.
Client X: An unknown client, unseen by any witness. Basically anyone not covered by the above three.
Assumptions
Body: Mary Kelly.
Time of Death: Between 12.31a.m. and 4a.m. November 9th.
Wherever possible: That Mary Ann Cox, Elizabeth Prater and Sarah Lewis are telling the truth.
Mary Ann Cox: When she heard Mary Kelly singing coming back to the court it was about 12.45a.m.
Sarah Lewis: That the man she saw opposite Miller’s Court was George Hutchinson.
Cry of “Murder!” heard by Elizabeth Prater and Sarah Lewis: The same occurrence and heard just before 4a.m.
George Hutchinson: If telling the truth, witnessed at least the interval between 2a.m. and 3a.m. Also that he was correct in saying he recognised Mary Kelly.
Blotchy-Face: Didn’t hang around 13 Miller’s Court after 2a.m.
Most likely killer(s): The man (men) last left unattended with or near Mary Jane Kelly. Also that murderer was either a client or posing as a client.
Post Death Lingering by Murderer: No longer than an hour.
Meal eaten by Kelly: Happened between two to three hours before death.
Kelly Asleep or Ready to Sleep: Because of the folded clothes and the cut through sheet, Mary Kelly was lying in bed getting ready to sleep for the night when murdered and was not completely drunk before retiring. If she realised she was being accompanied in the room by the killer before her death she was comfortable enough with them to let down her guard, even though she was terrified about crossing paths with Jack the Ripper.
Contents of the Sixteen Possibilities
1. 12.31a.m. – 1.00a.m.
1. Blotchy-Face
2. 1.01a.m. – 1.30a.m.
2a. Blotchy-Face
2b. Client X
3. 1.31a.m. – 2.00a.m.
3a. Blotchy-Face
3b. Client X
4. 2.01a.m. – 2.30a.m.
4a. Astrakhan Man
4b. Client X
5. 2.31a.m. – 3.00a.m.
5a. Astrakhan Man
5b. George Hutchinson
5c. Client X
6. 3.01a.m. – 3.30a.m.
6a. Astrakhan Man
6b. George Hutchinson
6c. Client X
7. 3.31a.m. – 4.00a.m.
7a. Astrakhan Man
7b. George Hutchinson
7c. Client X
1. 12.31a.m. – 1.00a.m.
MOST LIKELY KILLER(S): Blotchy-Face
Mary Ann Cox: Incorrect about how drunk Mary Kelly is.
Dr Bond: Possibly correct about what time the fish and chips were eaten.
Meal eaten by Kelly: Between 8.31 p.m. – 11p.m.
George Hutchinson: Lying for no discernable reason.
Cry of murder heard by Prater and Lewis: Irrelevant.
1. Blotchy-Face:
Blotchy-Face killed Mary Kelly within fifteen minutes of being last heard singing by Mary Ann Cox.
2. 1.01a.m. – 1.30a.m.
MOST LIKELY KILLER(S): Blotchy-Face/Client X
Mary Ann Cox: Either incorrect about how drunk Mary Kelly is or she manages to sober up between one hour and sixteen minutes and one hour and forty-five minutes later.
Dr Bond: Possibly correct about what time the fish and chips were eaten.
Meal eaten by Kelly: Between 9.01p.m.-11.30p.m.
George Hutchinson: Lying for no discernable reason.
Cry of murder heard by Prater and Lewis: Irrelevant.
2a. Blotchy-Face:
Elizabeth Prater: Possible that her testimony that there was no sign of activity from 13 Miller’s Court coincides with Mary Kelly having retired to bed for the night before 1.40a.m.
Killed Mary Kelly between sixteen to forty five minutes after last being heard singing by Mary Ann Cox.
2b. Client X:
Mary Kelly snuck in and out in relative quickness to get another client without Mary Ann Cox or Elizabeth Prater seeing her not long after 1a.m.
3. 1.31a.m. – 2.00a.m.
MOST LIKELY KILLER(S): Blotchy-Face/Client X
Mary Ann Cox: Either incorrect about how drunk Mary Kelly is or she manages to sober up between one hour and forty-six minutes and two hours and fifteen later.
Mary Ann Cox and Elizabeth Prater: Killer was very quiet around 1.40a.m. and didn’t have a light on in number 13 near 3a.m.
Dr Bond: Likely correct about what time the fish and chips were eaten.
Meal eaten by Kelly: Between 9.31p.m.-11.45p.m. or eaten in Mary Kelly’s room 11.46p.m.-12a.m., smuggled in without Mary Ann Cox noticing.
George Hutchinson: Lying for no discernable reason.
Elizabeth Prater: Possible that her testimony that there was no sign of activity from 13 Miller’s Court coincides with Mary Kelly having retired to bed for the night before 1.40a.m.
Cry of murder heard by Prater and Lewis: Irrelevant.
3a. Blotchy-Face:
Killed Mary Kelly between forty six minutes to one hour and fifteen minutes after last being heard singing by Mary Ann Cox.
3b. Client X:
Mary Kelly had either snuck in the new client after 1 o’clock and the killer waited half an hour or she left and got a new client after 1.40a.m. and was unobserved by the documented witnesses.
4. 2.01a.m. – 2.30a.m.
MOST LIKELY KILLER(S): Astrakhan Man (or variation of) /Client X
Mary Ann Cox: Either incorrect about how drunk Mary Kelly is or she manages to sober up between two hours and sixteen minutes and two hours and forty-five later. Killer didn’t have a light on in number 13 near 3a.m.
Dr Bond: Likely correct about what time the fish and chips were eaten.
Meal eaten by Kelly: Between 10.01p.m.--11.45p.m. or eaten in Mary Kelly’s room 11.46p.m.-12.30a.m., smuggled in without Mary Ann Cox noticing.
Cry of murder heard by Prater and Lewis: Irrelevant.
4a. Astrakhan Man:
George Hutchinson: Telling the truth / Embellishing the truth
Astrakhan Man dispatches Mary Kelly after about 2.15a.m. almost immediately after seen by Hutchinson.
4b. Client X:
George Hutchinson: Lying for no discernable reason.
Mary Kelly had either snuck in the new client after 1 o’clock and the killer waited an hour or she left and got a new client after 1.40a.m. and was unobserved by the documented witnesses.
5. 2.31a.m. – 3.00a.m.
MOST LIKELY KILLER(S): Astrakhan Man (or variation of)/George Hutchinson /Client X
Mary Ann Cox: Either incorrect about how drunk Mary Kelly is or she manages to sober up between two hours and forty-six minutes and three hours and fifteen later. Killer didn’t have a light on in number 13 near 3a.m.
Dr Bond: Possibly correct about what time the fish and chips were eaten.
Meal eaten by Kelly: Between 10.31p.m.-11.45p.m. or eaten in Mary Kelly’s room 11.46p.m.-12.45a.m., smuggled in without Mary Ann Cox noticing, or snuck out and ate between 12.46-1a.m. without being noticed by Mary Ann Cox or Elizabeth Prater.
Cry of murder heard by Prater and Lewis: Irrelevant.
5a. Astrakhan Man:
George Hutchinson: Telling the truth / Embellishing the truth
Astrakhan Man waits half an hour after seen by Hutchinson to kill Mary Kelly.
5b. George Hutchinson:
George Hutchinson: Lying to cover guilt.
Elizabeth Prater: Possible that her testimony that there was no sign of activity from 13 Miller’s Court coincides with Mary Kelly having retired to bed for the night before 1.40a.m.
Entered the room with or without Mary Kelly’s knowledge but wasn’t alarmed by him until the point of attack.
5c. Client X:
George Hutchinson: Lying for no discernable reason.
Mary Kelly had either snuck in the new client after 1 o’clock and the killer waited an hour and a half or she left and got a new client after 1.40a.m. and was unobserved by the documented witnesses.
6. 3.01a.m. – 3.30a.m.
MOST LIKELY KILLER(S): Astrakhan Man (or variation of)/George Hutchinson /Client X
Mary Ann Cox: Either incorrect about how drunk Mary Kelly is or she manages to sober up between three hours and sixteen minutes and three hours and forty-five later. Killer didn’t have a light on in number 13 near 3a.m.
Dr Bond: Incorrect about what time the fish and chips were eaten.
Meal eaten by Kelly: Between 11.01p.m.--11.45p.m. or eaten in Mary Kelly’s room 11.46p.m.-12.45a.m., smuggled in without Mary Ann Cox noticing, or snuck out and ate between 12.46-1.30a.m. without being noticed by Mary Ann Cox or Elizabeth Prater, returning before 1a.m. or after 1.40a.m.
Cry of murder heard by Prater and Lewis: Irrelevant.
6a. Astrakhan Man:
George Hutchinson: Telling the truth / Embellishing the truth
Astrakhan Man waits an hour after seen by Hutchinson to kill Mary Kelly.
6b. George Hutchinson:
George Hutchinson: Lying to cover guilt.
Manages to not be seen by Mary Ann Cox who returns to the court not long after 3a.m. Entered the room with or without Mary Kelly’s knowledge but wasn’t alarmed by him until the point of attack.
Elizabeth Prater: Possible that her testimony that there was no sign of activity from 13 Miller’s Court coincides with Mary Kelly having retired to bed for the night before 1.40a.m.
6c. Client X:
George Hutchinson: Irrelevant testimony.
Mary Kelly had either snuck in the new client after 1 o’clock and the killer waited two hours or she left and got a new client after 1.40a.m. and was unobserved by the documented witnesses or got a new client after Astrakhan Man.
7. 3.31a.m. – 4.00a.m.
MOST LIKELY KILLER(S): Astrakhan Man (or variation of)/ George Hutchinson /Client X
Mary Ann Cox: Either incorrect about how drunk Mary Kelly is or she manages to sober up between three hours and forty-six and four and fifteen later. Killer didn’t have a light on in number 13 near 3a.m.
Dr Bond: Incorrect about what time the fish and chips were eaten.
Meal eaten by Kelly: Between 11.31p.m.-11.45p.m. or eaten in Mary Kelly’s room 11.46p.m.-12.45a.m., smuggled in without Mary Ann Cox noticing, or snuck out and ate between 12.46-1a.m. without being noticed by Mary Ann Cox or Elizabeth Prater, returning before 1a.m. or after 1.40a.m., or left and ate between 1.40a.m. and 2a.m.
Cry of murder heard by Prater and Lewis: Coincides with death of Mary Kelly.
7a. Astrakhan Man:
George Hutchinson: Telling the truth / Embellishing the truth
Astrakhan Man waits an hour and a half after seen by Hutchinson to kill Mary Kelly.
7b. George Hutchinson:
George Hutchinson: Lying to cover guilt.
Elizabeth Prater: Possible that her testimony that there was no sign of activity from 13 Miller’s Court coincides with Mary Kelly having retired to bed for the night before 1.40a.m.
Entered the room with or without Mary Kelly’s knowledge but wasn’t alarmed by him until the point of attack.
7c. Client X:
George Hutchinson: Irrelevant testimony.
Mary Kelly had either snuck in the new client after 1 o’clock and the killer waited two and a half hours or she left and got a new client after 1.40a.m. and was unobserved by the documented witnesses or got a new client after Astrakhan Man.
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