Mary Kellys cadaver would not be out of place....

Is the mess in room 13 something only someone experienced in the disassembling of human beings could stand to be in? Isnt the methodical removal and placement of organs very similar to that which would be seen in operating theaters with med students?
--Mike

Dear Mike:

As mentioned, there does seem to be a sense of intentionality in the placement of some of the innards....but as to it being methodical, I would be hesitant to agree with that completely, with all due respect.

That the innards were placed on the table doesn't necessarily...to me...demonstrate a plan or as you suggest, method, but possibly more out of something else...although you may well be right,old bean...

It might have been a spur of the moment decision he reached without giving it too much thought.... that those organs he had in his mitts need to go "somewhere" and that "somewhere" was right next to him...the table.

Later Mike.

Thanks for the posts all,

You know Howard Ive often thought that we could decifer his dominant hand from some of those "placements". I think it shows that he was indeed likely left handed....the killer in room 13 anyway.

My best regards mate

[Howard Brown]

Is the mess in room 13 something only someone experienced in the disassembling of human beings could stand to be in? Isnt the methodical removal and placement of organs very similar to that which would be seen in operating theaters with med students?
--Mike

Dear Mike:

As mentioned, there does seem to be a sense of intentionality in the placement of some of the innards....but as to it being methodical, I would be hesitant to agree with that completely, with all due respect.

That the innards were placed on the table doesn't necessarily...to me...demonstrate a plan or as you suggest, method, but possibly more out of something else...although you may well be right,old bean...

It might have been a spur of the moment decision he reached without giving it too much thought.... that those organs he had in his mitts need to go "somewhere" and that "somewhere" was right next to him...the table.

Later Mike.

[Magpie]

you should do stand up!

Sam tried that after the radiographer gig, but promoters said his material was too X-rayted.

[babybird67]

Sam...

you should do stand up!

You always bring a smile to my face! Thank you!

[Sam Flynn]

I, too, work inside of the surgical arena - as an interoperative radiographer.

I once tried to blag myself a job in radiography... but they saw through me right away

[Tenth Bell]

I own the book of which you speak, Michael. "Dissection..."
My father is a physician/surgeon of 30+ years, and I suppose my intention was to enjoy the book and then share it with him afterwards. I, too, work inside of the surgical arena - as an interoperative radiographer.
In short, I just wanted to share that the book is wonderful - rich in photography - and well constructed.
Highly recommended!

[j.r-ahde]

Hello you all!

Personally I don't find anything methodical or ritual with the mess in Miller's Court!

All the best
Jukka

[kensei]

Is the mess in room 13 something only someone experienced in the disassembling of human beings could stand to be in? Isnt the methodical removal and placement of organs very similar to that which would be seen in operating theaters with med students?

Could that thought put new light on the Torsos and their potential connections to the killer or killers?

It is an interesting theory but I guess I'll answer with some thoughts that just sprang to mind as I was reading it. One, the mindset of such a medical student who had been around such bodily disassembly would not necessarily also prepare him to have to be the one to kill the person first. You mention how they came to see the bodies as not human, but cutting into a living woman would be quite a different experience. Second, if it was Jack the Ripper who killed Mary Jane, no matter what his profession he could be said to be someone at least slightly "experienced in the disassembling of human beings" since he had been doing just that little by little on his earlier victims.

As for the torso killings, I've always allowed myself to wonder not so much was Mary a victim of that person rather than of the Ripper, but whether Torso and the Ripper were the same person. (Though I know that's not a popular view.)

...in a room where Victorian era Medical students perform dissections.

Hi all,

In our local paper this past weekend, The Globe and Mail, there was a review of a book called "Photographs of a rite of Passage in American Medicine, 1880-1930, by John Harley Warner and James A Edmonson, by Blast Books,.....in which the journalist discusses the rite of passage that Dissections were seen as, and the inhumanity that arose with some of the students who became dulled to the sight of stripped carcasses and organs laying about in trays.

The students were often hardened by the experiences and came to see the dismantled forms as less than people, and more like meat. There are pictures within the book that show students gathered around a skeleton stripped of skin, but intact otherwise, and cards were held up for the photo saying" She lived for others but died for us", or, "Rest in pieces".

Today, the same dissections take place, but with a more ingrained sense of respect for the remains, and often only after technology has allowed the students to view the remains and the structures "digitally".

Is the mess in room 13 something only someone experienced in the disassembling of human beings could stand to be in? Isnt the methodical removal and placement of organs very similar to that which would be seen in operating theaters with med students?

Could that thought put new light on the Torsos and their potential connections to the killer or killers?

All the best.