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This thread is pure speculation, but based on oral history, and recorded details.
It is not a original idea that perhaps the body found on the bed was not Mary Kelly, and many students of ripperology may find any suggestion to the contary not acceptable, but lets put foreward a tonque in cheek scenerio.
We have several intresting events , or recorded statements in conjunction with the evening/ morning of the 8th, 9th November1888, and i will list them.
In the early hours of the 9th , several men bear Crossinghams allegedly saw a couple the female being Mary Kelly, poking fun at the reward poster close to the passage of Millers court.
In the early hours of the 9th a well dressed man was seen with a respectably dressed young woman,accompanied by a poorly dressed woman outside Ringers the man seemingly anxious to entice the better dressed female to accompany him, but she seemed reluctant to do so.
At around 2am, a witness, by the name of Hutchinson allegedly saw Kelly with a well dressed man [ Astracan] return to the court, with the man uttering the words.'You will be allright , for what i have told you'.
Oral history has it that Mary Kelly, lent out her room that night to a man, for apparently 'Convenience'
Maurice lewis allegedly saw Mjk out and about during daylight on the 9th, also Caroline Maxwell not only saw her , but spoke to her , around the same time.
Taking just those points into consideration, i will suggest the following possibility.
First of all, allow me to introduce a blast from my past.
Many years ago , whilst a young teenager, i spent a period on remand, for a petty offence, and it was tradition in this centre, that when a inmate was to be released, his cell was trashed, [ inmates had free access to each cell] which meant, buttons pulled of shirts , ink spilt on the floor, teeth out of combs broken, tooth brushes snapped, etc etc.
This was done to provide stress to the inmate that was to be released, and the anger of the discharge section.
Knowing this i trashed my own cell, making sure that, although it looked authentic, no harm was done, so that the perpretrators would believe it had been done by others, and leave alone.
This worked a treat, and i escaped inconvenience.
So what if Mary Kelly had extremely good reasons to fake her own death, even if it meant murder was needed.
That scenerio may seem far fetched, but if her situation was so desperate that only death could escape her plight, then it is not inconceivable, that the following may have happened.
Knowing that she was in grave danger from someone, and the only way out was to appear to have died, and the only way this could happen , and for her to appear the victim , would be, to be found on her very bed, in a state where her face was destroyed, but other attributes were apparent ,such as hair length/colouring.
Obviously i am not suggesting that Kelly was the killer, but it is possible that someone, for some reason assisted her, in the gruesome task , and if one takes all the early points into consideration , it is quite possible, that the respectable woman seen with the other couple . may have been the victim, and Kelly made herself visable on the streets, to give the impresssion that she was out and about, and it is not impossible that the whole scenerio that Hutchinson saw was infact staged , for his benefit.
What happened in that room is of course unknown , but the fact that she was allegedly seen by at least three people on the morning of the 9th, and placing that with the other activities during the night that i have mentioned, and the savagery of the murder, the impossible, may infact be the answer to the millers court affair.
That being the case the actual Jack The Ripper series ended after Eddowes, which would explain the apparent lull we have always discussed.
Opinions please.
Regards Richard.
Also remember two other points.
Kelly to Lottie... 'I have had a dream that i was been murdered'
'Kelly to a young friend.' I shall make away with myself'
This thread is pure speculation, but based on oral history, and recorded details.
It is not a original idea that perhaps the body found on the bed was not Mary Kelly, and many students of ripperology may find any suggestion to the contary not acceptable, but lets put foreward a tonque in cheek scenerio.
We have several intresting events , or recorded statements in conjunction with the evening/ morning of the 8th, 9th November1888, and i will list them.
In the early hours of the 9th , several men bear Crossinghams allegedly saw a couple the female being Mary Kelly, poking fun at the reward poster close to the passage of Millers court.
In the early hours of the 9th a well dressed man was seen with a respectably dressed young woman,accompanied by a poorly dressed woman outside Ringers the man seemingly anxious to entice the better dressed female to accompany him, but she seemed reluctant to do so.
At around 2am, a witness, by the name of Hutchinson allegedly saw Kelly with a well dressed man [ Astracan] return to the court, with the man uttering the words.'You will be allright , for what i have told you'.
Oral history has it that Mary Kelly, lent out her room that night to a man, for apparently 'Convenience'
Maurice lewis allegedly saw Mjk out and about during daylight on the 9th, also Caroline Maxwell not only saw her , but spoke to her , around the same time.
Taking just those points into consideration, i will suggest the following possibility.
First of all, allow me to introduce a blast from my past.
Many years ago , whilst a young teenager, i spent a period on remand, for a petty offence, and it was tradition in this centre, that when a inmate was to be released, his cell was trashed, [ inmates had free access to each cell] which meant, buttons pulled of shirts , ink spilt on the floor, teeth out of combs broken, tooth brushes snapped, etc etc.
This was done to provide stress to the inmate that was to be released, and the anger of the discharge section.
Knowing this i trashed my own cell, making sure that, although it looked authentic, no harm was done, so that the perpretrators would believe it had been done by others, and leave alone.
This worked a treat, and i escaped inconvenience.
So what if Mary Kelly had extremely good reasons to fake her own death, even if it meant murder was needed.
That scenerio may seem far fetched, but if her situation was so desperate that only death could escape her plight, then it is not inconceivable, that the following may have happened.
Knowing that she was in grave danger from someone, and the only way out was to appear to have died, and the only way this could happen , and for her to appear the victim , would be, to be found on her very bed, in a state where her face was destroyed, but other attributes were apparent ,such as hair length/colouring.
Obviously i am not suggesting that Kelly was the killer, but it is possible that someone, for some reason assisted her, in the gruesome task , and if one takes all the early points into consideration , it is quite possible, that the respectable woman seen with the other couple . may have been the victim, and Kelly made herself visable on the streets, to give the impresssion that she was out and about, and it is not impossible that the whole scenerio that Hutchinson saw was infact staged , for his benefit.
What happened in that room is of course unknown , but the fact that she was allegedly seen by at least three people on the morning of the 9th, and placing that with the other activities during the night that i have mentioned, and the savagery of the murder, the impossible, may infact be the answer to the millers court affair.
That being the case the actual Jack The Ripper series ended after Eddowes, which would explain the apparent lull we have always discussed.
Opinions please.
Regards Richard.
Also remember two other points.
Kelly to Lottie... 'I have had a dream that i was been murdered'
'Kelly to a young friend.' I shall make away with myself'
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