Definitely canonical

[curious]

Additionally, it goes against all logic to ascribe to the commonly thought notion that JTR had medical knowledge and carefully removed certain organs. That makes no sense when you add in the other aspects of the crimes and the fact that there was no time. Even modern doctors with their full access to the latest equipment were quoted in a recent JTR documentary as saying there is no way, even with the best of equipment, that they could have done the organ removals that JTR was supposed to have done in the time he was supposed to have done them, especially not IN THE DARK. It was their opinion, in fact, that not only could they not have done these things, but no one logically could have.

Hello, MDRice
Your comment is the strongest support that I've seen so far for the candidacy of Jacob Levy (or another offal dresser) as the killer.

I would not expect modern surgeons to think JtR's work could be done in the time frame -- they are doctors trained to save lives, to work with proscribed procedures to make that happen.

JtR had no such constraints.

I suspect that most people no longer know what tripe is or that it and other offal were once inexpensive, nutritious mainstays in the diets of the Victorian-era poor.

curious

[Fisherman]

...after MJK, could Jack be content returning to his usual methodology?

Been there, done that ...? Interesting thought, Barnaby.

Then again, MacKenzie may well be a Ripper killing - but one without true enthusiasm, perhaps, mirroring hat you say just the same.

All the best,
Fisherman

[lynn cates]

Take heart!

Hello Christer. You mean after Kelly his heart was not in it? (sorry)

Cheers.
LC

[The Good Michael]

Serial killers fantasize for years before ever killing someone. So yes. I think he knew what his ideal kill was. Which is not to say there was a script. I think he knew how he wanted to feel, and he had some fantasies that made him feel that way. He started acting them out, but would change to maximize the feeling he wanted. Whether it be relief, power, control, whatever. If strangulation did nothing for him, he wouldn't have done it. Restraints did nothing for him. He didn't use them. He didn't take their eyeballs or something like that because it didn't interest him. Cutting them open did interest him. So did throat cutting. So did uteruses. He may not have had a step by step guide with him, but he knew what gave him pleasure. And I think his ideal kill looked a lot like the murders he committed. I think it changed and shifted as he tried new things, but this was not a guy who was ever going to be the killer who nailed a woman to a table, or stashed her corpse in a storm drain and visited it at night. His murders were always going to look a lot like what he actually did.

This brings me to an aside: I have always been under the impression that if a fantasy is fulfilled, another one takes its place because that last fantasy can never be relived to the extent the first one was. we see this with cocaine users who always say that they are trying to recapture that first high, but it is never the same...perhaps another drug, or more of the last one will work.

So with JTR I see a person who had a vague idea of what would thrill him, but each time it changed because the satisfaction was no longer there in a repetitive murder. Is it no wonder then that Eddowes murder was so much more aggravated than Chapman's especially if he was interrupted with Stride as some of us lean?

So while I may agree that he had some idea of what he wanted, I believe it was vague rather than a detailed ideal.

Mike

[Fisherman]

Hello Christer. You mean after Kelly his heart was not in it? (sorry)

Cheers.
LC

The moment he found out that Kelly was heartless, he probably lost interest in the whole business... (equally sorry)

Fisherman

[Nick Spring]

This brings me to an aside: I have always been under the impression that if a fantasy is fulfilled, another one takes its place because that last fantasy can never be relived to the extent the first one was. we see this with cocaine users who always say that they are trying to recapture that first high, but it is never the same...perhaps another drug, or more of the last one will work.

So with JTR I see a person who had a vague idea of what would thrill him, but each time it changed because the satisfaction was no longer there in a repetitive murder. Is it no wonder then that Eddowes murder was so much more aggravated than Chapman's especially if he was interrupted with Stride as some of us lean?

So while I may agree that he had some idea of what he wanted, I believe it was vague rather than a detailed ideal.

Mike

Hi Mike,

Yes totally agree with the above.

I believe that he satiates himself with Kelly somehow however, what happens next?

Best

Nick