MJK photo 4 enhanced

[sgh]

MJK3 and diagram

To help clarify the location of the door, doorknob , the window and the strip of light coming through the gap between the curtains and their relationship to the remainder
of the foreground objects - the table, bedding bolster, and the victim, I've
rotated my diagram for easier determination as I realise that it isn't easy to explain and visualise when the photo is shown one way opposed to the original drawing the other way.
So here are the two enhanced photos again which show the doorknob
and below that the diagram the right way up to compare and confirm positioning.

Incidentally, when doing the enhancement work on mjk3 I wasn't looking for a doorknob, but as I worked through the shadow area processing it became clear that something was there, so progressed to confirm or deny that what I was seeing was not just a clump of black artefacts with a speck of white
resembling the appearance of a black doorknob with a speck of highlight.
Also what appears to be some sort of vertical line next to the doorknob similar to what could be assumed as a pull handle indeed is not a grouping of vertical artefacts. There is definite shadow and highlight along the objects length.

The photo that I have used found on this website is a modern photo of the original and likely of several generations. I'm sure this copy was printed out using the wrong combination of photo paper and printing ink. This becomes apparent due to the numerous crack marks running laterally where the print has obviously been rolled or folded but without creasing thus causing the ink to flake away. The photo laid out flat then photographed or scanned again.
Hence, it now contains even less information than when it started!

I mention this because those crack marks which appear as white specks on the copy photo add further to the numerous scratches, blotches and general mishandling marks already within the original.
A careful close-up study of the doorknob results in a high probability that the highlight mark is indeed a highlight and not just another whitish artefact caused by flaked ink.

Anyway, I hope this helps to understand the positioning of the elements in MJK3.
The diagram is reverse engineered from the two photographs MJK1 and MJK3 also information gleaned from sketches and written reports of the time, plus a bit of common sense (I hope)

Best
Steve

[Jane Coram]

Here is a typical Victorian spring lock and key. These photos were kindly posted originally by Bob Hinton, but I'm sure he won't mind me posting them again. I would say that the round bit fit's quite well with what we see here.

Hugs

Jane

xxxxx

[Rob Clack]

I've always thought it was a bit like this:



Rob

[Simon Wood]

Hi Steve,

According to your scale plan the diagonal distance between the door knob and the strip of light seen through a gap in the curtains at the centre of the smaller window is around 25-26 inches. This makes sense bearing in mind the distance someone would have to reach through the broken window to trip the bolt.

But in photograph MJK3 the distance between what may be the door knob and what may be a strip of light seen through the curtains looks considerably greater.

Also, look closely at the "pull handle" in the attached crop of MJK3. I've circled the "door knob" for reference. Look between the green arrows. The "handle" passes through the bolster/Mister Crocodile, most probably pinning it to the table.



Regards,

Simon

[sgh]

Hi Sgh,

Well done for spotting that - I have to agree with Sam that it's new to me, and God knows I've studied that photo for Heaven knows how many hours, until I've gone boss eyed. : As you say though it wasn't apparent on the unenhanced versions, but very well spotted all the same.

I really think that there isn't much doubt that is the edge of the door there, with either a keyhole or the lock visible there. Which would of course mean that was the crossbar of the window that Sam pointed out.

Just goes to show you can never have too many pairs of eyes!

Hugs

Jane

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Hi Jane,
I know exactly what you mean about going boss eyed on the image :-)
Many thanks for that and also finding a Victorian lock in a seperate post too.

I guess you may have taken a shot at drawing the victim to scale on my drawing, but don't worry over it because I know how demanding that task really is! I had a go myself :-)

If you do manage to make a plan view sketch of the victim I could do the scaling down to fit. But like I say, I fully understand if you don't wish to commit yourself to the onerous task.

Best Wishes
Steve

[Mr.Hyde]

Thanks Jane Coram,
I now see that the key is only used from the outside.First time I've seem one of those with the old style key.
Dave.

[Malcolm X]

that photo still looks odd, it doesn't look like the door knob to me, because if the door was closed, the isometric projection of the knob looks wrong, it's too circular........and if the door was open it would cover the whole bolster,

that door knob, looks like a fault in the photo, that just so happens to resemble the Door Knob, it is also slightly too close to the edge of the curtain............ but i suppose it doesn't really matter, i guess it just highlights how bad the original photos are

[Mr.Hyde]

Robert Clack and Simon Wood,
Is that an internal secondary security bolt on the other side from the lock?

[Malcolm X]

because all i can see is roughly this, and this looks like nothing to me, that curtain looks dead flat, but no it'll have folds, this just shows how bad the photo is..........so that could indeed be the CLOSED door, but with loads of additional detailing mising

[Simon Wood]

Hi Mr Hyde,

As Room 13 was once a humble kitchen and scullery, I doubt its external door sported any secondary security devices.

Regards,

Simon

[Stephen Thomas]

Hi Steve

That diagram in post #211 is absolutely brilliant. Many thanks. I'd thought of trying to pinpoint the shaft of light using a cardboard box, a doll and some felt tipped pens (as one does) but you've saved me the bother.

Rob and Simon

Steve has really cracked this one to my mind by tracking the angle of view of the two cameras used and he has demonstrated elsewhere how the two views match. The doorknob he found is just the icing on the cake.

[sgh]

Hi Steve

That diagram in post #211 is absolutely brilliant. Many thanks. I'd thought of trying to pinpoint the shaft of light using a cardboard box, a doll and some felt tipped pens (as one does) but you've saved me the bother.

Rob and Simon

Steve has really cracked this one to my mind by tracking the angle of view of the two cameras used and he has demonstrated elsewhere how the two views match. The doorknob he found is just the icing on the cake.

Hi Stephen,
I'm glad that you have carefully studied how the camera angles and what they see matched up with the objects both ways. That was crucial to an accurate representation.
There's no harm to trying out the cardboard box model, and you never know, it could answer more questions and perhaps create some new ones too! :-)

Many Thanks for having a good hard clear look at my efforts, Stephen
it makes it all worthwhile !

Best Regards
Steve

[Sam Flynn]

Steve has really cracked this one to my mind by tracking the angle of view of the two cameras used and he has demonstrated elsewhere how the two views match. The doorknob he found is just the icing on the cake.

Couldn't have put it better myself.

[sgh]

Couldn't have put it better myself.

Greatly appreciated - Thank you Sam.

Best Regards
Steve

[Rob Clack]

Not quite convinced myself. The strip of light extends to far down for it to be a window. Also the curtains would be open to let as much light in as possible as I don't think a flash would have been used.

Rob