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  • Daily Telegraph,November 10, 1888

    We do have this news article which states, "The Central News states, upon what is described as indisputable authority, that no portion of the murdered woman's body was taken away by the murderer. The post-mortem was of the most exhaustive character, and the surgeons did not quit their work until every organ had been accounted for and placed as nearly as possible in it's natural position."
    Even with the eyebrow flaps replaced, and nose, ears and cheeks put more or less back into position, there would still be a contraction of the facial muscles that would make a macabre rictus of the facial expression.

    Please note that the same article observes "That the miscreant must have been some time at his work was shown by the deliberate manner in which he had excised parts, and placed them upon the table purposely to add to the horror of the scene."
    This suggests the posing of the body as well as the posing of the "excised parts".
    Joan

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    • Originally posted by Fisherman View Post
      It´s quite OK to disagree with me -
      What?! Are you going soft on us?

      Mike
      huh?

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      • Originally posted by Midnyte View Post
        ..."This suggests the posing of the body as well as the posing of the "excised parts"."
        Joan
        Hi Joan,

        Since he props up her head using her uterus and breast....Id say that there is more than "suggestion" of the intentional placement of organs around Mary and the bed. I noted the mention of the flaps over the eyebrows..which may be the flaps I mentioned Sam Flynn suggests as the reason we cannot see Marys eyes or sockets in MJK1. Although the report says her heart wasnt missing, I think that on November 10th they wouldnt be likely to release that information in any hurry. Its a key with this murder I think.....it either means that the Ripper killer wanted organs in general, not just female and abdominal...or it means this killer "wanted her heart"...perhaps figuratively as well.

        Best regards Joan

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        • Possibly the door knob revealed in MJK3

          Further enhancements to MJK3 photo to 'lift' anything lurking in the shadows
          reveals what possibly might be a door knob as indicated by my red arrow
          in the top left of the images. It appears as a small black round ball with a spot of highlight at the top.
          Also, just to the right, below the yellow arrow, you can just see the outline of what could be described as a handle to pull the door.
          Highlight and shadow can be seen along it's length.
          Indeed, the highlights on these two objects are compatable with the lighting
          as seen on the table and contents in the image.

          The photo below of 13 Miller's Court, MJK's home, shows the aprox position and height of the 'door knob' in relationship to the adjacent window.
          In my opinion, it's quite possible then that this could well be a door in the shadow and it certainly tallies with the way the door opens towards the table
          in front of it and the position of the drawn curtains to the right with a gap
          showing a strip of light.

          As far as I'm aware, nobody has seen this before because the photo has not been enhanced to such an extreme degree as shown here to reveal shadow areas.

          The photo on the right with a blue appearance is a copy of the photo to the left. The blue tint is simply added for extra contrast.

          I look forward to your comments.

          Best
          Steve
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          • Hi SGH!
            It sure looks like a doorknob - but where is the corner inbetween the knob and the ray of light seeping in through the curtains? The light suggests that this stretch is flat, at least to my eyes.
            Or maybe the wall was so thick that the corner is just to the right of the knob, a mere decimetre or so from it, where a darker area meets a lighter one?

            The best,
            Fisherman
            Last edited by Fisherman; 04-04-2009, 10:38 PM.

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            • Steve - by George, I think you're right! I'm not so sure that's a handle alongside the doorknob, but perhaps there's the hint of a keyhole there, to the immediate right of the knob as we look at it.

              Well done, sir!
              Kind regards, Sam Flynn

              "Suche Nullen" (Nietzsche, Götzendämmerung, 1888)

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              • Originally posted by Fisherman View Post
                Hi SGH!
                It sure looks like a doorknob - but where is the corner inbetween the knob and the ray of light seeping in through the curtains? The light suggests that this stretch is flat, at least to my eyes.
                Or maybe the wall was so thick that the corner is just to the right of the knob, a mere decimetre or so from it, where a darker area meets a lighter one?

                The best,
                Fisherman
                Hi Fisherman,
                That's a good question.
                The door hinges are to the left and out of shot.
                Considering the oblique angle of the door and the door likely set back in a recess then even if it was cracked open a touch we may still not see much light. According to my calcs and drawings one would never be able to see a slip of light even if the door was fully open, due to it's situation, and not forgetting that if the door was fully opened towards the table then it would be very obvious that the fully open door would fill the background frame and also be in focus and detail!

                Many Thanks
                Best, Steve

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                • Originally posted by Sam Flynn View Post
                  Steve - by George, I think you're right! I'm not so sure that's a handle alongside the doorknob, but perhaps there's the hint of a keyhole there, to the immediate right of the knob as we look at it.

                  Well done, sir!
                  Hi Sam,
                  'Sir' from you Sam, I'm honoured :-)
                  I think it's a fair assumption as being the door as everything figures just about.
                  The handle is a tricky one, I agree, and the keyhole - well, I too thought that could be so, but I guessed I might be pushing my luck too far :-)
                  I think it is a keyhole for the record.

                  Many Thanks, Sam

                  Best, Steve

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                  • No probs, Steve - you've revealed something quite new to me here, for which many thanks. Now that you've found me my bearings, a couple of observations:

                    The bright dot in the middle of the shaft of light would thus be the "crossbar" of the window, the level of the window-sill being where the shaft cuts off - that all adds up, IMO.

                    Interestingly, there's also a faint cross to the immediate left of the bright dot as we look at it - which may be an artefact, but it might also be the shadow of the join between the four panes.

                    Taking all this together, it ought to enable us to gauge roughly where the far corner of the room was - and, from it, that tiny part of the universe where the "window trick" of opening the door happened.
                    Kind regards, Sam Flynn

                    "Suche Nullen" (Nietzsche, Götzendämmerung, 1888)

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                    • Originally posted by Sam Flynn View Post
                      No probs, Steve - you've revealed something quite new to me here, for which many thanks. Now that you've found me my bearings, a couple of observations:

                      The bright dot in the middle of the shaft of light would thus be the "crossbar" of the window, the level of the window-sill being where the shaft cuts off - that all adds up, IMO.

                      Interestingly, there's also a faint cross to the immediate left of the bright dot as we look at it - which may be an artefact, but it might also be the shadow of the join between the four panes.

                      Taking all this together, it ought to enable us to gauge roughly where the far corner of the room was - and, from it, that tiny part of the universe where the "window trick" of opening the door happened.

                      Hi Sam,
                      I'm digesting your thoughts here.
                      Yes, I reckon the crossbar to be about in that location and the window sill at the bottom is the cut off point for the light source.
                      Considering the narrow brickwork of the corner section of the building between the edge of the window and the edge of the doorway as seen in the Miller's Court photo we can deduce that little room remained for the edge of the curtains - meaning that the curtains would be right into the corner and possibly slightly curved into the corner if we can allow for poor fitting.

                      I too thought that the cross of the window frame may have shown as a shadow on the curtains as there appears to be 'something' there.

                      I think the 'window trick' to open the door was certainly possible through the lower broken pane judging by the brick count and dimensions involved - a fair chance! I'll check that bit out again.

                      Best, Steve

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                      • it looks like a gap in the curtains to me, i cant see that door being left open either; not with that revolting mess inside the room, that door would've been kept closed....to keep prying eyes out

                        in addition the door swings open towards her bed, so that table is in the way of the door opening, the yellow and red arrows highlighting a darker area is the wall adjacent to the closed curtain
                        Last edited by Malcolm X; 04-05-2009, 05:36 PM.

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                        • Hi Sgh,

                          Well done for spotting that - I have to agree with Sam that it's new to me, and God knows I've studied that photo for Heaven knows how many hours, until I've gone boss eyed. : As you say though it wasn't apparent on the unenhanced versions, but very well spotted all the same.

                          I really think that there isn't much doubt that is the edge of the door there, with either a keyhole or the lock visible there. Which would of course mean that was the crossbar of the window that Sam pointed out.

                          Just goes to show you can never have too many pairs of eyes!

                          Hugs

                          Jane

                          xxxx
                          I'm not afraid of heights, swimming or love - just falling, drowning and rejection.

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                          • As the lock was apparently a spring lock like the modern Yale, no keyhole would be visible. There is the 'keyhole' line to the right of the knob and another light horizontal line to the left of it so the lock may have looked like this
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                            • Good call, Stephen.
                              Kind regards, Sam Flynn

                              "Suche Nullen" (Nietzsche, Götzendämmerung, 1888)

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                              • Hi Stephen Thomas.
                                Having a Dickens of a time working out what lock was used.I've spent some time on it.Owned a "settlers cabin" in Oz and have seen lots of old keyed door locks,often with a seperate door bolt.Anyone have a link?
                                Odd that the police had the landlord force the door to gain entrance,considering the broken window and access to the lock.

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