MJK photo 4 enhanced

[Suzi]

What right hand Simon???

The left hand seems OK ish ...well apart from it's placement!...and there's a couple of fine calves from the knees down and a couple of remarkably OK feet!

[Simon Wood]

Hi Suzi,

MJK1 is fine, but the right leg in MJK3 is drawn/sketched/painted in, and the left hand is a right hand.

Indulge me and study the photo for five minutes with these things in mind.

Regards,

Simon

[perrymason]

No, Mike - you believe that it was personal on all levels. If that were so, based on the criteria you put forward, every indoor mutilation murder would be personal; or that outdoor killers never kill indoors - but neither is true. Mutilation murders of strangers can and do happen indoors. The "indoor/outdoor" dimension may be about as significant as the "single-cut/three-flaps" dimension, i.e. not significant at all, but rather indicative of expediency and circumstance.

The above is not in contention Sam, that Marys evidence suggests a stranger did the damage to her is. The wounds to the face have been indicative of a personal relationship with the victim in other cases, and an ex-lover, which is all she really has in her life at the moment...times at least 2...might be interested in owning her heart...something previous Ripper attacks do not suggest was his interest. Add that to the intimacy of the locale, her state of dress, and her specific location...ie on a bed....almost every important detail about Marys murder could very well indicate a relationship of some kind with her killer. Now add posing the crime scene by placing items around Marys body, under her head, and the position of her body....which by her left arm alone, cannot be the position she was in when he was mutilating her midsection and chest.

The main objections have to be that she may have gone out to pick up a stranger, and that her ex-lovers were incapable of carrying out the acts in the room if they were not the Ripper. The first is unproven and not suggested within the trusted evidence provided, and the second is pure speculation....which ignores that one of the two men will be committed for likely genetic based Insanity for the rest of his life in just a few years.

A man fearing the gallows might well be up to making a crime scene worse that it was...so just like every woman that is attacked in some way with a knife that year...it would be almost immediately attributed to a supposed single serial killer at large. As it was.

Like for some Martha is. And for some, Ada is. And Liz Stride...being the only "Canonical" without mutilations... was.

Cheers Gareth.

I also believe Simon is correct about a right hand.

[John Casey]

blood? shadow? artifact?

what do people think? The dark area under the bed, that I've highlighted here, is it blood? or a shadow? or just a 100+ year old photo with a blotchy dirty artifact of some description?

[Suzi]

Darkness -under bed unpleasantness and blood in that pic- just before the tin bath to the left of that clip

Still can't get that one Simon! From whatever angle that's still the left hand in the tum!

[Simon Wood]

Hi Suzi,

Indulge me for another five minutes.

A hand is connected to a wrist, a wrist to an arm, an arm to a shoulder, a shoulder to a neck, and a neck to a head.

So where in MJK3 is the head belonging to the right hand?

Regards,

Simon

[Suzi]

OK post MJK3 again Simon because I cant be as****d to keep going back for a look! x

[Simon Wood]

Hi Suzi,

Your wish is my command—



Regards,

Simon

[Suzi]

Lol Thanks thought that was where we were coming from- That''s a left hand!

[Simon Wood]

Hi Suzi,

If you say so.

Regards,

Simon

[Suzi]

It is!!! taken from the partition towards the door

OK it does look like a thumb but it can't be!

[Simon Wood]

Hi Suzi,

It can be a thumb if it's a right hand.

But whose hand? And where are they hiding?

Regards,

Simon

[Suzi]

The other hand! xx

[Sam Flynn]

The same hand

It's not a thumb - you can tell from comparing both photos that it's the same hand, namely the left. Note the "groove" or shadow in the area of the bent wrist in MJK1, which matches precisely its counterpart in MJK3 (connected by a blue line below), and the corresponding "crest" of the bedsheet a few inches away from the hand (shown by the two red lines):

[Suzi]

Thanks Gareth!... x

Give the man a hand!...........the LEFT one! xx