is this MJK alive???

Walter Dew

Hi Sam,
Ooh thanks....It will stop me from kicking myself!!! Thanks for the link.

[Sam Flynn]

I wish i got a copy years ago of Walter Dew's memoires as 2 books available today 1 is priced at £175 the other is a whopping £470 !

Hi Shelley,

The relevant Chapter of Dew's memoirs has been transcribed for Casebook and may be read here. Enjoy!

Victims

Hi,
In the victims section the description says she had blonde hair ( at the top saying ginger), maybe she could have been a strawberry blonde? and blue eyes.
I think if records were to be checked we probably would find a few ' Mary Kelly's '....I thought that they couldn't trace her in anycase on any records, so the age of 25 yrs is approx.....Davis is also on her death certificate, still that could be a coincidental alias name. Also the woman in the picture has thinner hair than the one of MJK, and Joe did identify her to the police. I wish i got a copy years ago of Walter Dew's memoires as 2 books available today 1 is priced at £175 the other is a whopping £470 !

[Suzi]

Hi all- I noticed that Mary Davies pic on the BBC thingy ages ago- dodgy character she may have been- but 'our Mary'- she aint!!!!!!!!

End of story!!

[j.r-ahde]

Hello you all!

So, the photo has been around about a week now, and only now ( ) I spotted it;

No, if MJK got away after the murder, then the slashed face is too in-general, so to say, to define this Mary to MJK!

And, once again; MJK was told to have been as tall as an average LVP man!

All the best
Jukka

[Mike Covell]

The rumours of MJK being seen after the fact are contempory, which could give the killer doubts, and a reason to check if any Mary Jane Kelly's where about elsewhere.

Thats why she would change her name, not because she thought the killer thought he had killed her.

[Celesta]

I think you're not quite getting the point. The pictures of the victim from #13 Miller's Court would be irrelevant, if the woman in the photo, on the left, was the real Mary Kelly. Why bother to post the crime scene pictures at all, if the real Mary was still alive after Nov. 9, 1888?

You have a point about the names and that was a good observation.

[Mary_Jane_Kelly]

well this 'mary davies' did use another alias after the murder. but then again, if people think your dead, whats the use in changing your name, she did move away from whitechapel afterall....

---MJK---

[Mike Covell]

I love Steve Jones's work, and have the following,
London-The Sinister Side
London-Through the Keyhole
Wicked London
The Illustrated Police News
Capital Punishments
Yorkshire-The Sinister Side

As Philip mentions, the text is short, sweet and in bitesize chunks, but the A-4 pictures of women and children will never fail to bring a lump to the throat.

Anyway, if this was MJK, and she escaped Millers Court, why would she use the same names and aliases. If that was me, I would be either with the police, or move away and adopt a new name!

[George Hutchinson]

As soon as the word 'maybe' comes into play, you're living in a house built on sand.

On a different tack, I've got all of Steve's books and though some of the text isn't over-detailed they're all highly recommended. Profusely illustrated with photographs of the poor and criminal of the LVP.

PHILIP

[celee]

mary kelly was married to a mr. davies, so wouldnt she have used his name as an alias from time to time. afterall mary used alias alot.
i came across this photograph of a mary davies, and ill also post a pic of mary kelly's mutilated face.
u see for yourself.....
what do you think??

Simply put, No, it is not Mary Kelly. Mary Kelly died November 9th 1888 between three and four in the morning.

Your friend, Brad

[m_w_r]

well maby mary kelly was'nt the body found in 13 millers court

In which case, your previous point about the dimples in the chins - a feature which, you thought, linked the three images, and suggested that they might all represent the same individual - hardly applies any more, does it?

Regards,

Mark

[Sam Flynn]

it is hard to tell what type of hair she has because she has it tied up....

If you're referring to the photograph, that's thin hair alright - almost what used to be called "flyaway" in the hairspray ads. It ain't the luxurious locks of the woman in the Miller's Court picture at any rate.

[Mary_Jane_Kelly]

That's rather a wispy head of hair she has. I don't think it's either curly/wavy or thick enough to have been the Mary Kelly of Miller's Court.

it is hard to tell what type of hair she has because she has it tied up....

---MJK---

[Sam Flynn]

That's rather a wispy head of hair she has. I don't think it's either curly/wavy or thick enough to have been the Mary Kelly of Miller's Court.