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  • Millers Court and 26 Dorset Street - 1881 and 1891

    I think these listings may have got lost in the crash of the boards so I am reposting full listings in 1881 and 1891 for Millers Court and 26 Dorset Street
    Chris

    Millers Court 1881

    1 Millers Court
    Head: Charles Green aged 34 born Stepney - Labourer
    Wife: Mary A Green aged 29 born Shoreditch
    Boarders:
    Robert Brown aged 21 born Chobham - Hawker
    Louisa Wood aged 20 born Blackfriars

    2 Millers Court
    Head: Alfred Smith aged 44 born Bethnal Green - Butcher
    Wife: Elizabeth Smith aged 39 born Hounslow
    Daughter: Mary Ann aged 11 born Mile End
    Boarders:
    William Whitehead aged 18 born Southampton - Hawker
    Emma Polard aged 17 born Middlesex
    Alfred Whitehead aged 16 born Southampton

    3 Millers Court
    Boarders:
    Barney Lipman aged 21 born Middlesex - Fish porter
    Sophia Palmer aged 27 born Cambridgeshire
    Thomas Carey aged 27 born Bromley - Labourer
    Annie Shay aged 20 born India
    Nelly Shay aged 17 born India - Boot binder

    4 Millers Court
    Head: Lawrence McDonald aged 22 born Bethnal Green - Labourer in gas factory
    Wife: Sarah McDonald aged 27 born Kings Cross

    Head: Eliza Carlsin (Widow) aged 40 born Dublin
    Children:
    Kate aged 12 born Spitalfields
    Charles James aged 10 months born Spitalfields

    5 Millers Court
    Head: Cornelius Hoaks aged 23 born Spitalfields - Hawker
    Wife: Agnes Hoaks aged 21 born Spitalfields

    Head: Elizabeth James aged 36 born Kent - Needlewoman
    Boarder:
    Alfred B Knight aged 3 months born Spitalfields

    6 Millers Court
    Head: Frederick Smith aged 41 born Clerkenwell - Gold beater
    Wife: Ellen Smith aged 38 born Clerkenwell - Laundress

    Head: Edward Tagg aged 36 born Clerkenwell - Glass blower
    Wife: Sarah A Tagg aged 36 born Dublin
    Children:
    Cecilia aged 16 born Camberwell
    Thomas aged 15 born Blackfriars

    26 Dorset Street in 1881:
    Head: John Death aged 25 born Mile End - Umbrella frame maker
    Wife: Alice Death aged 24 born Blackfriars
    Children:
    John William aged 5 born Spitalfields
    Emma aged 3 born Birmingham
    Joseph A aged 2 born London

    Head: Henry Pound aged 37 born Mile End - Bricklayer
    Wife: Ann Pound aged 34 born Spitalfields - Dressmaker

    Head: William Jones aged 32 born London - Boot and shoe maker
    Wife: Janey Jones aged 27 born Poplar - Washerwoman

    Head: George Wood aged 40 born Lambeth - Carman
    Wife: Janey Wood aged 42 born Scotland

    Head: Thomas Paine aged 28 born Epping - Fish smoker
    Wife: Kate Paine aged 35 born Epping - Stay maker


    Millers Court 1891


    2 Millers Court
    Head: Solomon Shrimsky aged 25 born City - Costermonger
    Boarder: Emily Weiss aged 24 born Finsbury - Charwoman

    Head: Lilian Reardon (Widow) aged 37 born Westminster
    Son: Charles J Reardon aged 10 born Pimlico

    Head: Patrick Coulan aged 39 born Ireland - Shoemaker
    Wife: Alice Coulan aged 29 born Chelsea
    Children:
    Bernard aged 8 born Blackfriars
    Alfred aged 4 born Blackfriars
    Michael aged 1 week born Shoreditch

    3 Millers Court
    Head: Joseph Wadham aged 61 - Dock labourer
    Wife: Mary A Wadham aged 58
    Son: John aged 16
    All born in Bethnal Green

    5 Millers Court
    Head: John Payne aged 42 born Bishopsgate - Porter
    Wife: Jane E Payne aged 38 born Shoreditch
    Son: John aged 4 born Shoreditch

    Head: George Southey aged 36 born Islington - Gas stoker
    Wife: Elibeth (sic) Southey aged 31 born Aberdeen
    Children:
    George aged 14 born Haggerston
    Frederick aged 8 born Kingsland

    Head: Henry Hooker aged 42 born Shoreditch - Stick dresser
    Wife: Clara E Hooker aged 35 born lambeth - Matchbox maker
    Son: William F aged 16 born Shoreditch - Van boy
    Visitor: Eliza Wilson (Widow) aged 40 born Lambeth - Fancy trimmer

    6 Millers Court
    Head: Thomas North aged 34 born Pimlico - Boiler maker
    Wife: Sarah North aged 26 born Penge, Surrey - Charwoman
    Visitor: Katherine Durand aged 24 born Westminster - Charwoman

    7 Millers Court
    Head: Elizabeth Norman (Widow) aged 34 born London - Needlewoman

    Head: Matilda Merriton aged 46 born St George East

    8 Millers Court
    Head: Mary A Jeffrey (Widow) aged 53 born Bandon, Cork - Charwoman
    Son: Edward aged 23 born Whitechapel - Carman

    11 Millers Court
    Head: Mary A Griffin aged 19 born Stepney - Ropemaker's assistant

    12 Millers Court
    Head: William Harrison aged 65 born Lambeth - Wire worker
    Wife: Mary A Harrison aged 65 born Cornwall

    Head: Edward Childs aged 35 born Islington - Hawker
    Wife: Jane Childs aged 32 born Islington -

    13 Millers Court
    Head: Thomas Kelly aged 35 born Spitalfields - Waterside labourer
    Wife: Ann Kelly aged 39 born Ireland

    Head: Elizabeth Harper (Widow) aged 39 born Wapping - Needlewoman
    Brother: James Harper aged 42 born Finsbury - Firewood bundle maker

    Head: Mary A Clark (Widow) aged 49 born Lancashire - Laundress
    Son: Charles aged 13 born Hornsey


    26 Dorset Street in 1891

    Head: Henry Owen aged 49 born St Pancras - Dock labourer
    Wife: Lottie Owen aged 43 born Kennington

  • #2
    Thanks Chris, interesting

    I`m assuming that "Lottie" from the Kit Watkins post is the same Lottie as below :

    26 Dorset Street in 1891

    Head: Henry Owen aged 49 born St Pancras - Dock labourer
    Wife: Lottie Owen aged 43 born Kennington

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    • #3
      Hi Jon
      Thanks for the message
      Also re. the same couple, Julia Venturney said she lived with a man named Harry Owen
      Chris

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      • #4
        Chris, what's with the multiple heads of households? Surely 13 Millers Court (for example) didn't have room for all those people? I know the conditions were overcrowded, but they weren't that overcrowded, were they? I'm obviously missing something here.

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        • #5
          Hi
          This came up recently on one of the podcasts
          There are definitely 6 people, three different households, listed as living at No 13 Millers Court in 1891
          I agree it is unfeasible for a married couple in their 30s, a widowed woman and her brother, and another widow and her young son all the be living in a 12 foot room
          There are a number of possibilities
          1) Some numbered rooms from Millers Court are not listed
          Nos 1, 4, 9, 10, 14 upwards.
          Possibly the census listing was none too scrupulous and some of those listed as living in the same number actually occupied different rooms
          2) There may have been some internal reorganisation of the rooms. As speculation, the partiton wall of No 13 may have been extended into the storage area to allow more rentable floor space - this is speculation only, however

          I think it unlikely we will ever know the exact domestic arrangements and the best we can do is informed guesswork

          Below is the page from 1891 for the bulk of Millers Court and you will see the six persons listed as living at No 13 at the bottom of the page
          Chris
          Attached Files

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          • #6
            I think it's likely that they were including a lower room and a room above it as one dwelling because they couldn't be bothered to innumerate properly. I can't remember which room Mary Ann Cox occupied--I think it was #5--but it sounded as though she lived alone, and none of these women could have afforded enough space to have a family living with them.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Chris Scott View Post
              There are a number of possibilities
              1) Some numbered rooms from Millers Court are not listed
              Nos 1, 4, 9, 10, 14 upwards.
              Possibly the census listing was none too scrupulous and some of those listed as living in the same number actually occupied different rooms
              That sounds the simplest explanation, Chris, and perhaps the most likely.
              Originally posted by chava
              I think it's likely that they were including a lower room and a room above it as one dwelling
              ...which complements Chris's suggestion perfectly.
              Kind regards, Sam Flynn

              "Suche Nullen" (Nietzsche, Götzendämmerung, 1888)

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              • #8
                Just a quick question, perhaps Chris might know?
                How can we take a snapshot of the pdf file from these census lists?, as Chris provided in post #5.

                thanks, Jon.S.
                Regards, Jon S.

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                • #9
                  Hi Jon,

                  If you have a Mac, simply CTRL-Click on the image and save it to the desktop.

                  If you have a PC, sell it for scrap and buy a Mac.

                  Regards,

                  Simon
                  Never believe anything until it has been officially denied.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Chris Scott View Post
                    Possibly the census listing was none too scrupulous and some of those listed as living in the same number actually occupied different rooms
                    The Lord only knows how much fun and games an enumerator would have had with the good folk of Millers Court.
                    'Are you going to open your door, madam?'
                    'Nah, goowon, bugger off. Wonave no law rahnd ear.'
                    'I'm the census enumerator, madam.'
                    'An I dahn' care if yer the queenaringlund, i tolja, bugger off.'
                    best,

                    claire

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                    • #11
                      Census info

                      Looking at the Census info,there seems to be no mention of the McCarthy family. I'd always assumed that they lived 'over the shop' in Dorset Street, b
                      but apparently not. Do we know where they lived?

                      Jud

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                      • #12
                        The McCarthys lived at and ran their business from 27 Dorset Street, to the left of the entrance to Millers Court
                        Chris

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                        • #13
                          Am I right ,Chris, in thinking that John McCarthy might have seen the Ripper from a window at the back of the shop looking into the passageway?

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                          • #14
                            Thanks for that Chris. I should have realised that whilst reading the other Millers Court thread.

                            Jud

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                            • #15
                              Hi Norma
                              Do you mean the window above the archway or a ground floor window of No 27?
                              Chris

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