Mary Kelly Positively Identified??

[Uncle Jack]

Was Mary Kelly ever 100% positively identified?? Are we 100% sure it was her who was murdered as her face was so badly mutilated, she would have been unreconisable.

[DVV]

The face was indeed mutilated (still, the eyes were open), and Barnett, who intimately knew Mary, could also identified the body by the hands, feet, hair,etc. And that's what he did.

Amitiés,
David

[richardnunweek]

Hi,
I would suggest that Mjk was the victim found in Millers Court, however the age old question still arises, ie, 'Who Killed her?.
I have always found it hard to accept she was simply a victim of a random killing, and have swayed to suggestions that her death was a result of some domestic dispute, which may /not have resulted in her killer being a J.T.R. victim.
The fundamental fact is after Mary Kelly no murder took place that was so 'Horrid' giving yours truely, reasoning that the 'Whitechapel Murders' ended on the 9th November 1888.
Regards Richard.

[anna]

Hi all,
It has always puzzled me that the people who lived around Mary must have been aware of the direction in which to listen,to hear if Mary was around or not..so why were they not sure about what they heard.
Considering the fact that Mary had had,what must have been,quite a public fight with Joe..you'd have thought that whether unsure or not of where the voice came from,they knew it was close,would they not have had a quick check on her??
ANNA.

[Uncle Jack]

I've always had a theory that the body found may not have been MJK but it is unlikely. I've also been looking around but cannot seem to find any info on Mary's lodger, a fellow prostitute. Was she found after the murder?

Regards,

ADAM

[Mitch Rowe]

I've always had a theory that the body found may not have been MJK but it is unlikely. I've also been looking around but cannot seem to find any info on Mary's lodger, a fellow prostitute. Was she found after the murder?

Regards,

ADAM

Yes..She appeared at the inquest:

Maria Harvey, 3, New-court, Dorset-street, stated: I knew the deceased as Mary Jane Kelly. I slept at her house on Monday night and on Tuesday night. All the afternoon of Thursday we were together.
[Coroner] Were you in the house when Joe Barnett called ? - Yes. I said, "Well, Mary Jane, I shall not see you this evening again," and I left with her two men's dirty shirts, a little boy's shirt, a black overcoat, a black crepe bonnet with black satin strings, a pawn-ticket for a grey shawl, upon which 2s had been lent, and a little girls white petticoat.
[Coroner] Have you seen any of these articles since? - Yes; I saw the black overcoat in a room in the court on Friday afternoon.
[Coroner] Did the deceased ever speak to you about being afraid of any man ? - She did not.

[Uncle Jack]

Thanks Mitch

Regards,

ADAM

[emlodik]

Hi,
I would suggest that Mjk was the victim found in Millers Court, however the age old question still arises, ie, 'Who Killed her?.
I have always found it hard to accept she was simply a victim of a random killing, and have swayed to suggestions that her death was a result of some domestic dispute, which may /not have resulted in her killer being a J.T.R. victim.
The fundamental fact is after Mary Kelly no murder took place that was so 'Horrid' giving yours truely, reasoning that the 'Whitechapel Murders' ended on the 9th November 1888.
Regards Richard.

Mary Kelly's killer was a Jack the Ripper victim?!?! THAT'S something I haven't heard before... LOL...

[Uncle Jack]

The fundamental fact is after Mary Kelly no murder took place that was so 'Horrid' giving yours truely, reasoning that the 'Whitechapel Murders' ended on the 9th November 1888.

That is a good point Richard but I think we also have to take in the circumstances of the murder. All the murders after Mary Kelly took place once again outside. We have to take into account that the reason MJK's murder was so bad is because Jack had ample time and surroundings to perform and do what he did. While outside, he wouldn't have the time and surroundings to do what he did to MJK. And after that, you also have to take into account the fact that he could have been disturbed whilst in the process of murdering other victims, such as Alice McKenzie, Fracis Coles or maybe even Rose Mylett. I am not suggesting in any way that these were Ripper victims but just saying there are reasons why the murders after MJK's were less violent, if they were the work of Jack.

Kind regards,

ADAM

[Damien]

Hi Uncle Jack

If MJK was a victim of Jack, I would say the heavy wounds are not only a result of more time, but the more a result of beeing nervous. Jack the Ripper was in a cule-de-sac like he wasn`t before. If someone would step into the room, he would be in trouble. So I think he fell in a kind of "nervous rage" (ah, whats the right word...hope you understand) and lost the professionality he had shown before on the street.

I don`t think he felt fine beeing an indoor-killer. And I think he spent more time on Kelly, but he afflicted the wounds faster and more frantic.

He didn`t plan to go indoors, so he was caught between the possibility to kill Kelly and the fear of beeing catched.

Kind regards, Damien

PS. Remember not only Barnett, but also Walther Dew - who knew Kelly a little - identified her in Millers Court.

[richardnunweek]

Hi Emlodik,
What was I drinking last night?
It should have come across as, 'Even if Mjk was a victim of a domestic', the question is was this killer J.T.R ?
Regards Richard.

[nancyrowina]

I've been wondering this too as there were the two sitings of her after she was supposed to have died. Could it be she returned to her room found someone else had been killed there and saw it as a chance to escape her jealous lover and run for it? It's a long shot and would depend on the woman having similar hair and hands and feet to Mary Kelly, or her lover being in on the fact she wanted to do a runner for some reason and positively identifying a body that wasn't hers.

[DVV]

It's really amazing to see how many people would like Mary to be alive after she has been killed.
Was she a relative of Adolf Hitler or Elvis Presley?

Amitiés,
David

[Sasha]

The theory that MJK was not the Victim at Millers Court was espoused by the movie "From Hell". The only thing that movie really has going for it is Johnny Depp - and it was not one of his better films! I personally don't find this alternative ending as "romantic". Whoever died in that room that night - and I, personally believe it was MJK, died a horrible death. That's not a romantic ending, however you slice it!

Sasha