Through the BNA we can find Constable 63 L mentioned in several accounts of arrests from the 1850's to 1887. In only one instance is a name provided with the collar number - Henry Morton, in the London Evening Standard, 19 Aug. 1852 (though the number given is 53 L, surely a miss-print?).
Which is not to suggest this same collar number was not assigned to a different constable in later years.
So if Morton resigned in 1870 (as per Robert), then perhaps Rouse is the man mentioned in the IPN of 24 November 1888?
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Constable 63L
In Police Orders of 26 March 1889, P.C. 63L is stated to be Constable Rouse (who was then on the sick list).
A little bit of digging, shows that this was Henry Rouse who joined the Met Police in L Division on 14 August 1882, with warrant number 67055, and resigned on 11 May 1889. Police Orders for 11 May 1889 give his conduct for his certificate as "Very Good".
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Originally posted by Wickerman View PostWhat did Hutchinson say?
"I went up the court and stayed there a couple of minutes, but did not see any light in the house or hear any noise."
Ignoring that too are we?Anyhow, the topic was about constable 63 L, and Hutchinson mentioned a constable in Commercial st., who passed the end of Dorset street.
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Originally posted by Wickerman View PostCourt records for inquests were recorded in long hand, the press used short hand, this is why the press versions always contain more detail than the court version.
(I'm used to taking detailed notes at work, but never learned shorthand. Nowadays I use a laptop, but it was pen and paper in the old days.)
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Originally posted by Sam Flynn View PostIn the same newspaper report, a mere two sentences before that one, we find that there was a man standing in Mary Kell's doorway:
"In the doorway of the deceased's house I saw a man in a wideawake hat standing. He was not tall, but a stout-looking man"
Why haven't we heard more about this guy? He's either the most overlooked prime suspect of all time, or the Daily News screwed up Sarah Lewis's testimony. I wonder which of those options has the most chance of being true?
Apart from yer man, standing in Kelly's doorway.
"I went up the court and stayed there a couple of minutes, but did not see any light in the house or hear any noise."
Ignoring that too are we?
Anyhow, the topic was about constable 63 L, and Hutchinson mentioned a constable in Commercial st., who passed the end of Dorset street.
We don't know if that was 63 L, as he did not walk through Dorset street, so perhaps that was not his beat.
Why the IPN has constable 63 L saying that he heard nothing is odd as no-one in Commercial street could be expected to have heard anything from 125+ feet away. That comment would only make sense if it came from a constable who did walk through Dorset street.
So, perhaps 63 L is not the constable mentioned by Hutchinson at all.
There is no associated story in the IPN from that constable, so why his portrait is included on the cover only adds more questions than answers.
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Originally posted by Abby Normal View Postread it slowly wick:
its obviously a garbled press version that one paper got wrong. probably confusing it with cox statement.
Lewis official inquest testimony:
"When I went in the court I saw a man opposite the court in Dorset Street standing alone by the lodging house... another young man with a woman passed along - the man standing in the street was looking up the court as if waiting for someone to come out"
nothing about entering the court.
get over it.
But you've been around long enough to know this.
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Originally posted by Sam Flynn View PostHutchinson? I'd best not go there, Abby! I'm just happy to have demonstrated that the Daily News version of Sarah Lewis' testimony is garbled and unreliable.
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Originally posted by Abby Normal View PostI wonder if hutch read this and included in his(changed) aman story as himself when HE went and talked to the press?
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Originally posted by Sam Flynn View PostIn the same newspaper report, a mere two sentences before that one, we find that there was a man standing in Mary Kell's doorway:
"In the doorway of the deceased's house I saw a man in a wideawake hat standing. He was not tall, but a stout-looking man"
Why haven't we heard more about this guy? He's either the most overlooked prime suspect of all time, or the Daily News screwed up Sarah Lewis's testimony. I wonder which of those options has the most chance of being true?
Apart from yer man, standing in Kelly's doorway.
In the same newspaper report, a mere two sentences before that one, we find that there was a man standing in Mary Kell's doorway:
"In the doorway of the deceased's house I saw a man in a wideawake hat standing. He was not tall, but a stout-looking man"
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Originally posted by Wickerman View Post"I also saw a man and a woman who had no hat on and were the worse for drink pass up the court."
"In the doorway of the deceased's house I saw a man in a wideawake hat standing. He was not tall, but a stout-looking man"
Why haven't we heard more about this guy? He's either the most overlooked prime suspect of all time, or the Daily News screwed up Sarah Lewis's testimony. I wonder which of those options has the most chance of being true?
Obviously there was no-one in the court when Lewis got there, the couple went indoors.
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Originally posted by Wickerman View PostRead it Abby, slowly...it's in plain English.
" I also saw a man and a woman who had no hat on and were the worse for drink pass up the court."
Obviously there was no-one in the court when Lewis got there, the couple went indoors.
its obviously a garbled press version that one paper got wrong. probably confusing it with cox statement.
Lewis official inquest testimony:
"When I went in the court I saw a man opposite the court in Dorset Street standing alone by the lodging house... another young man with a woman passed along - the man standing in the street was looking up the court as if waiting for someone to come out"
nothing about entering the court.
get over it.
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Originally posted by Varqm View PostI understand it was an inquest and a different coroner too.The PC should have seen Hutch or a man standing across the court once, if a man was there they
would not have dismissed Hutchinson,.....
This idea of him being dismissed (on the 15th) does not stand up to scrutiny, it's bogus.
Lawende was the only witness who had a permanent residence and ran a business, so he was easy to locate years after the fact.
Any 'mystery' is the creation of the posters themselves in pushing this theory.
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Originally posted by Abby Normal View PostStop pedaling this nonsense wick and misleading people. Sarah Lewis never saw couple go in the court. She saw them go up the street.
" I also saw a man and a woman who had no hat on and were the worse for drink pass up the court."
Obviously there was no-one in the court when Lewis got there, the couple went indoors.
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