Was Mary Kelly killed in daylight hours.?

[David Orsam]

I simply swallowed everything they said.

That's exactly what I thought Simon. Thanks for confirming.

[David Orsam]

"Wood really seems to think that Quinn and Owen formed part of a Scotland Yard assassination squad, although he does not quite say this is so many words."

Exactly!

Thus showing you got it wrong when you said:

"By the way, for the record I never suggested that Pigott was the victim of a Scotland Yard assassination squad.

That was a conclusion you leapt to all by yourself in one of your many diatribes."

The quote of mine that you have posted expressly states that you do not suggest that Quinn and Owen were part of an assassination squad. It states that you really seem to think it.

I am sure you really did think it, hence your reference to the "alleged suicide" and your comment that Quinn and Owen were in Spain at the time of the suicide.

You wanted to believe they were there at the time - you didn't check it - so that's what ended up in your book.

I assume you don't now believe they were part of an assassination squad because I have proved that they were both in London at the time of Pigott's death.

Are you now finally prepared to admit that you were wrong in your book in saying Pigott shot himself in the head "as two detectives from Scotland Yard arrived to arrest him"?

[Simon Wood]

Hi David,

I simply swallowed everything they said.

But as a cautionary double-check I did a Google search.



Regards,

Simon

[Simon Wood]

Hi David,

"Wood really seems to think that Quinn and Owen formed part of a Scotland Yard assassination squad, although he does not quite say this is so many words."

Reconstructing Jack, Part 3.

Regards,

Simon

[David Orsam]

Out of interest, Simon, what steps did you take to verify what you were told about Millers Court bearing the hallmarks of a Special Branch operation?

Or did you just swallow everything they said?

[David Orsam]

By the way, for the record I never suggested that Pigott was the victim of a Scotland Yard assassination squad.

That was a conclusion you leapt to all by yourself in one of your many diatribes.

Where did I leap to that conclusion Simon? Quote me doing it.

Here's what I said in my article: "Reconstructing Jack":

"He clearly does not believe that Richard Pigott committed suicide by shooting himself in the head, calling it 'an alleged suicide', despite the fact that he did so in a hotel room to the direct knowledge of two independent Spanish witnesses who were also in the room and the suicide was confirmed by a Spanish Judicial Inquiry."

You do refer to Pigott's suicide in your book as 'an alleged suicide' don't you Simon? Tell me, what is "alleged" about it?

And do you now admit to making a mistake in claiming that Special Branch's Inspector Quinn was in Spain when Pigott shot himself in the head with a pistol?

[David Orsam]

Hi David,

"Unidentified and shadowy individuals"?

You've been watching too many spy movies.

I know exactly who they were.

You didn't identify them in your book though Simon. I guess these people from "our secret world" must have trusted you with their secret identity, despite you going on to publish a book in which you revealed that "Millers Court bore the hallmarks of a Special Branch operation" but of course you can't talk about that, it's top secret!

[Simon Wood]

Hi David,

"Unidentified and shadowy individuals"?

You've been watching too many spy movies.

I know exactly who they were.

By the way, for the record I never suggested that Pigott was the victim of a Scotland Yard assassination squad.

That was a conclusion you leapt to all by yourself in one of your many diatribes.

Regards,

Simon

[Varqm]

By the way was it established that Maxwell was a friend of Kelly? I have not read any.

[David Orsam]

That's an eloquent way of calling me a liar.

You must have forgotten me telling you that someone was pulling your leg.

What I don't trust, Simon, is your ability to extract reliable information about Special Branch operations in 1888 from unidentified and shadowy individuals.

You are the person, after all, who claims in his book that Richard Pigott shot himself in the head in Madrid "as two detectives from Scotland Yard arrived to arrest him". Two detectives who were actually in London at the time!

[Simon Wood]

Hi David,

That's an eloquent way of calling me a liar.

Regards,

Simon

[David Orsam]

Translation: If there is information I am not aware of that is in the possession of someone I don't know, its rubbish. Or cobblers, if you prefer.

Its a good thing then that you know all there is to be known.

No, Michael. The translation is that there are only two possible ways that someone alive today can know anything about Special Branch operations in 1888. Either they have been told about them by someone who was told them by someone (now dead) - thus being complete hearsay and unreliable - or from documents. But if from documents, where are they? The answer is they don't exist.

I trust Simon Wood to have extracted reliable information from "some very interesting people in our secret word" - information which, of course, he can't possibly reveal - about as much as I trust Pierre to have found Jack the Ripper.

[Michael W Richards]

Well I can tell you, Simon, that I certainly do not accept "the word" of the person who supposedly told you (whatever "the word" means) and I have many reasons to doubt them. In fact, it sounds like you have been sold a complete load of cobblers.

Translation: If there is information I am not aware of that is in the possession of someone I don't know, its rubbish. Or cobblers, if you prefer.

Its a good thing then that you know all there is to be known.

[David Orsam]

So, lets put your "common sense" escape clause aside, and answer my question.
What difference would it have made to the investigation if Phillips had moved a chair or an arm before the photographer came in to the room?

I've yet to see an answer to my own question Jon:

"I have already asked you – without reply - if I really need to explain to you why it would have been beneficial to have taken the photographs before anything was disturbed in the room. Let me know if you actually need this to be explained to you."

[David Orsam]

The 19th century version of "common sense" differs markedly from our understanding today.

That may or may not be in the abstract but I have referred you to the Daily Telegraph which proves that the benefits of taking photographs before disturbing the crime scene must have been, and were, appreciated in 1888.