The Canonical Five

[Azarna]

Liz Strides killer didnt kill her to mutilate her, there is no evidence at all in that single murder that suggests further intent.

If "Jack" killed his victims with strangulation then throat slashing, and mutilated them post mortem, how could one tell whether the killer of Stride intended to only slit her throat and kill her, or intended to move on to post mortem mutilations, but was disturbed so couldn't? Wouldn't both scenarios leave exactly the same evidence.. ie. a body with a cut throat but no mutilations.

[Errata]

If "Jack" killed his victims with strangulation then throat slashing, and mutilated them post mortem, how could one tell whether the killer of Stride intended to only slit her throat and kill her, or intended to move on to post mortem mutilations, but was disturbed so couldn't? Wouldn't both scenarios leave exactly the same evidence.. ie. a body with a cut throat but no mutilations.

Probably, but as far as throat cutting efficiency and neatness goes, the wound on Stride is far and away the most professional. So that might tell us something.

[Elamarna]

Probably, but as far as throat cutting efficiency and neatness goes, the wound on Stride is far and away the most professional. So that might tell us something.

Errata, I have to disagree there somewhat, while it may be neat it was not efficient and professional.
At the inquest Dr William Blackwell said amongst lot of comments that:

"Deceased would have bled to death comparatively slowly, on account of the vessels on one side only being severed, and the artery not being completely severed."

That to me is not efficient!
Efficient would be a fast bleed out in a professional sense.

regards

steve

[c.d.]

"Liz Strides killer didnt kill her to mutilate her, there is no evidence at all in that single murder that suggests further intent."

Hello Michael,

How do you know what the killer's intent was? If he was scared off that would have no effect on his intent if it was in fact mutilation. The intent would remain the same, it would simply have been trumped by his desire to not be caught and hanged.

c.d.

[GUT]

The intent would remain the same, it would simply have been trumped by his desire to not be caught and hanged.

c.d.

which would trump a lot of things.

[lynn cates]

tosh

Hello Sleuth. Thanks for starting this thread.

In my estimation, the C5 is tosh.

Cheers.
LC

[wigngown]

Lynn cates,

Can you elaborate please?

Best regards.

[lynn cates]

skill

Hello John.

"How do you know the skill set for Eddowes murder isn't the same as Nichols and Chapman?"This was stated at inquest.

Also, Howard Brown has posed elsewhere a clipping in which some of he medicos claimed a different hand.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

evidence

Hello Wig. Thanks.

There is absolutely NO evidence to indicate one hand involved in more than the first two murders.

Cheers.
LC

[wigngown]

Hi Lynn cates,

Thank you. I'm new to these boards so it's helpful to get everyone's views.

Best regards.

[lynn cates]

welcome

Hello Wig. Thanks.

The pleasure is all mine.

And welcome to the boards.

Cheers.
LC

[Observer]

Hello Sleuth. Thanks for starting this thread.

In my estimation, the C5 is tosh.

Cheers.
LC

Yes, and we all know the alternative theories, or should I say fairy tales,, you have come up with, which disputes one hand slaying the Canonica l 5

[Michael W Richards]

Yes, and we all know the alternative theories, or should I say fairy tales,, you have come up with, which disputes one hand slaying the Canonica l 5

Im wondering when following the evidence became less valid an approach to sheer speculation? I don't believe it has actually. The evidence suggests one thing, you folks who try to tack any unsolved murder onto Jack despite the lack of any hard evidence say another.

In reality the "alternate" theory is the one without any corroberative evidence and sustained by only opinion....that has a single murderer running amok for years let alone over the key 2 1/2 months, making all the unsolved kills by himself...which is why some of you include Torsos with your list.

[wigngown]

Thank you lynn.

Best regards.

[John G]

Hello John.

"How do you know the skill set for Eddowes murder isn't the same as Nichols and Chapman?"This was stated at inquest.

Also, Howard Brown has posed elsewhere a clipping in which some of he medicos claimed a different hand.

Cheers.
LC

Hello Lynn,

Was it expressly stated at the inquest? Experts engaged by Trevor Marriott were of the opinion that Eddowes killer exhibited an exceptional level of skill-so much so that they concluded the organs could not have been removed at the scene of crime.

Thus, Philip Harrioson opined:

"To remove the kidney from its membrane as is documented shows a high level of skill and anatomical knowledge." (Marriott, 2013).

He added:

"To work in such an intricate manner and to remove the kidney and uterus carefully and without damaging the surrounding tissue with a six inch knife would be very difficult...The emphasis is on carefully because only a person with an expert knowledge of anatomy would be able to remove the organs on the manner described and would find it very difficult if not impossible in almost total darkness". (Marriott, 2013)

Regarding, Chapman Dr Phillips seemed to be of the opinion that the pelvic organs were removed with "one sweep of the knife" However, Philip Harrison noted, "To remove the appendages, the uterus, the fallopian tubes, and ovaries in one frenzied attack and one slice of the blade would be almost impossible." (Marriott, 2013).

That suggests to me that Dr Phillips may have got a little carried away with his assessment. In fact, as an aside, how much surgical knowledge would any of the Victorian GPs have had?

Moreover, in respect of Eddowes, Dr Biggs as stated that "Much of the description is vague and potentially ambiguous." (Marriott, 2013)

This is would lead me to conclude that the contemporary medical reports, and the opinions of the GPS who, by today's standards, may have carried out a somewhat perfunctory post mortem., cannot be relied upon.