Exhumation

[Canadian Mari]

Thanks very much, Joel.
Hi Suzi,
Oh, I know precisely what you mean, about locations. This is why, to my mind, the scenario of the place if internment being excavated for another reason is actually the most likely way of again finding the victims. Chance is a fine thing in archaeology! Of course, I think I know what you mean with other objections. Yes, compelling reasons to conduct further exams are always the first thing we present. To further the interests of justice and science, and the preservation of a completely unique source of information is always the first intention. I could make a much more compelling science argument, than justice argument at this time. However, as it stands, it's a non-starter!
Some objections make more sense than others, an OT story: I took part in an emergency dig once in a cemetery, along with the Office of the Medical Examiner of the area; amongst the dead, plague burials. The week before we'd had protesting, saying we should respect the dead. (The cemetery was initially excavated due to a rupture in a gas main, the plague burials extended our dig....long story which adds nought.) Well as soon as the sealed tents went up and the masks went on (us) the same group came with signs wanting all the bodies either burned or chemically destroyed. No matter who ever hears of any victims being uncovered and sees about further investigation, they'll learn much about humanity from every part of the exercise!

[Suzi]

....And you may find if you went down that road... there could be problems...Good luck Mari- The trouble is there's a lot of problems re the C5 and the alleged burial sites, and you may find a lot of objections if you were to proceed down that particular road...Just a thought

Suzi

[joelhall]

i ditto all the above, welcome mari, valuable professional opinion to the topic

joel

[Canadian Mari]

Thank you so much for the welcomes! I'm very happy to be here. I've been (overly?) interested in the Ripper since I was 6 0r 7, but in my area of study the history of serial murder and it's place in anthropology is a great interest.
Adam, don't be discouraged, it is a good idea, and you know, in my business we say "time is on our side" and if the right events happened... (Say, a graveyard had to be moved, some areas excavated, and one of the women were found, I, and others of my ilk would move heaven and earth to have it done as a proper excavation, with proper examination of the remains prior to their being re-interred.) When that changes, this thread would heat up again!

[Suzi]

Hi CM- Be good to have your POV here........

[j.r-ahde]

Hello Canadian Mari!

Your thoughts about exhumation are very, very justified!

And, I am like a parrot, sorry, but;

To see an anthropologist here is very welcome indeed!

All the best
Jukka

[anna]

No worries on my part Adam,was an interesting thread.

[adamkle]

Hello Canadian Mari! Hello all!
Well, you have convinced me. I'm still dreaming about a kind of Holy Grail of this case, but now I understand, it's out of our reach.
Maybe somewhere in the future...
Sorry for being "enfant terrible" for such a long time, but thanks of you I learned a lot. If someone got upset beacuse any of my comments, please forgive me. My intentions were good.
Many thanks,
Adam

[Limehouse]

Welcome Canadian Mari, and I would like to echo Anna's comments. This is a vaulable contribution to the value or otherwise of exhumation.

[anna]

P.S....That's not ramblin' on,that was a bloomin' good answer,and one which we could have done with a lot sooner on this thread.
Nice one.

[anna]

Welcome to the boards Canadian Mari!
Wow!I don't think we have any other anthropologists here on Casebook.
I shall look forward to reading your future posts.
Anna.

[Canadian Mari]

The science is evolving. Maybe we could compare them with other cases (even with the Torso). Of course, that would require digging out another victim...

I know all of it sounds unrealistic. I agree! But it is not impossible, so...

Best regards,
A

Hi Adam, I just wanted to reply to your last point, I'm an anthropologist, so I approached this from that P.O.V.
As others have said, DNA goes down to the condition of the bones, all things considered I would think it more likely than not to get it, but as it's the victims' DNA, I don't see it advancing the case.
Cut marks (also down to condition of the bones) interest me more. Yes they can be linked to other cases upon examination, some scientists would say with great certainty, others would say, "are consistent with"! It would, as you say, rest on comparison. Either other bones, or good enough scans, x-rays, photos, etc. This is the great impediment to linkage, and not a time factor, it could be cases going on right now, it's just knowing which cases to compare and having the info.
On a personal note, I've excavated people, and I wanted to say I love and respect them. That's why I do it, I believe that by telling their story I can honour them, and they can teach us. I think I know where you're coming from, but in this case I don't think the causes of either justice or science would benefit enough from the effort it would take. This is not to say I don't believe these women are worthy of the effort, I can just think of other ways the time, money and anthropologists would be better used, at this time. I'd say the reasons I think it's unrealistic are likely different from other members, I can think of ways it could be done, but at the moment I doubt the will would be there.
Sorry to ramble.

[Suzi]

The trouble is with this case is that ANYTHING'S possible...Church fetes,Granny's attic ,skips....who knows...That's what keeps us all nibbling away!!! OK? and there are threads that could be collapsed before this one believe me!! Rant Rant!!!#

Anyway the sense on this disappeared with Sam's last comment so.................................at least Did's is still here!!!..maybe not above Mary but pretty damned close.........close enough for jazz 'eh!!!

[joelhall]

Hello!


Let's say one day I will find a strange jar with human heart inside, hidden on the attic of my grandpa's house. There will be number 1888 and initals MJK on it. How could I verify if it was poor Kelly's heart?


The science is evolving. Maybe we could compare them with other cases (even with the Torso). Of course, that would require digging out another victim...

I know all of it sounds unrealistic. I agree! But it is not impossible, so...

Best regards,
A

thats this thread done i believe.

[adamkle]

Hello!

Even if Mary Kelly's DNA would be found, what would be the use of it?!

Let's say one day I will find a strange jar with human heart inside, hidden on the attic of my grandpa's house. There will be number 1888 and initals MJK on it. How could I verify if it was poor Kelly's heart?

What would be the use of finding cutmarks?

The science is evolving. Maybe we could compare them with other cases (even with the Torso). Of course, that would require digging out another victim...

I know all of it sounds unrealistic. I agree! But it is not impossible, so...

Best regards,
A