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  • Abby Normal
    Commissioner
    • Jun 2010
    • 11900

    #1

    How many women did the ripper kill?

    Lately, I have become convinced that Alice McKenzie was a ripper victim, as much as Tabram or Stride, bringing the total, in my opinion, to seven definite victims in the series:

    Tabram
    Nichols
    Chapman
    Stride
    Eddowes
    Kelly
    McKenzie

    What say you?
    "Is all that we see or seem
    but a dream within a dream?"

    -Edgar Allan Poe


    "...the man and the peaked cap he is said to have worn
    quite tallies with the descriptions I got of him."

    -Frederick G. Abberline
  • spyglass
    Sergeant
    • Nov 2009
    • 718

    #2
    Originally posted by Abby Normal View Post
    Lately, I have become convinced that Alice McKenzie was a ripper victim, as much as Tabram or Stride, bringing the total, in my opinion, to seven definite victims in the series:

    Tabram
    Nichols
    Chapman
    Stride
    Eddowes
    Kelly
    McKenzie

    What say you?
    As by coincidence, I have recently been reading up on mckenzie, wondering the same thing.
    would be intrested to know what makes you feel certain.
    I do still have doubts about Tab ram and possibly Stride though.
    Regards.

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    • John Wheat
      Assistant Commissioner
      • Jul 2008
      • 3345

      #3
      Tabram
      Nichols
      Chapman
      Stride
      Eddows
      Kelly
      And Ellen Bury as I believe William Henry Bury was Jack the Ripper.

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      • sdreid
        Commissioner
        • Feb 2008
        • 4956

        #4
        I'll take a stab at it with 7:

        Smith
        Nichols
        Chapman
        Stride
        Eddowes
        Kelly
        McKenzie
        This my opinion and to the best of my knowledge, that is, if I'm not joking.

        Stan Reid

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        • sdreid
          Commissioner
          • Feb 2008
          • 4956

          #5
          Well so far, at least we all agree that it's 7.
          This my opinion and to the best of my knowledge, that is, if I'm not joking.

          Stan Reid

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          • GUT
            Commissioner
            • Jan 2014
            • 7841

            #6
            I cully go 5 or 6.

            I keep vacillating on Tabram, but don't but macKenzie at this stage.
            G U T

            There are two ways to be fooled, one is to believe what isn't true, the other is to refuse to believe that which is true.

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            • DJA
              *
              • May 2015
              • 4700

              #7
              Originally posted by sdreid View Post
              Well so far, at least we all agree that it's 7.
              Five.

              Only five.

              That's more than enough.

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              • Rosella
                Chief Inspector
                • Sep 2014
                • 1542

                #8
                I'm more conventional, I'm afraid. I'm not a believer as far as Smith or McKenzie is concerned, and I go backwards and forwards on Tabram, so--

                Nichols
                Chapman
                Stride
                Eddowes
                Kelly. And a maybe for Tabram.

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                • lynn cates
                  Commisioner
                  • Aug 2009
                  • 13841

                  #9
                  Frances

                  Hello All. I say, why is Frances Coles not on the list?

                  Cheers.
                  LC

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                  • Harry D
                    *
                    • May 2014
                    • 3360

                    #10
                    Originally posted by lynn cates View Post
                    Hello All. I say, why is Frances Coles not on the list?
                    Indeed, she can't be ruled out.

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                    • Abby Normal
                      Commissioner
                      • Jun 2010
                      • 11900

                      #11
                      Originally posted by spyglass View Post
                      As by coincidence, I have recently been reading up on mckenzie, wondering the same thing.
                      would be intrested to know what makes you feel certain.
                      I do still have doubts about Tab ram and possibly Stride though.
                      Regards.
                      Hi spy
                      Prosttitute
                      Same location
                      Unsolved
                      Killer just gets away
                      Murdered on streets
                      Left carteroid artery severed
                      Use of knife
                      Abdomen mutilated
                      Clincher-skirt pushed up. Just like the others.

                      She was a ripper victim.
                      "Is all that we see or seem
                      but a dream within a dream?"

                      -Edgar Allan Poe


                      "...the man and the peaked cap he is said to have worn
                      quite tallies with the descriptions I got of him."

                      -Frederick G. Abberline

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                      • Sleuth1888
                        Detective
                        • May 2014
                        • 106

                        #12
                        After reading Tom Wescott's book, The Bank Holiday Murders, I am convinced that the Smith and Tabram murders are connected somehow

                        But other than that I believe the Whitechapel Murder had at least 5 murders to his name. Those being;

                        Nichols
                        Chapman
                        Stride
                        Eddowes
                        Kelly

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                        • Abby Normal
                          Commissioner
                          • Jun 2010
                          • 11900

                          #13
                          Originally posted by sdreid View Post
                          I'll take a stab at it with 7:

                          Smith
                          Nichols
                          Chapman
                          Stride
                          Eddowes
                          Kelly
                          McKenzie
                          Hi Stan
                          I think Smith is a possibility, but barely. These types of killer usually work alone.

                          Im curious though why you would include Smith but not Tabram? Smith is much more tenuous IMHO.
                          "Is all that we see or seem
                          but a dream within a dream?"

                          -Edgar Allan Poe


                          "...the man and the peaked cap he is said to have worn
                          quite tallies with the descriptions I got of him."

                          -Frederick G. Abberline

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                          • Jon Guy
                            Assistant Commissioner
                            • Feb 2008
                            • 3154

                            #14
                            Apparently, all the Rippers each killed one person.

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                            • Stephen Thomas
                              Chief Inspector
                              • Feb 2008
                              • 1728

                              #15
                              JTR had 5 victims and 5 victims only.

                              So said the person actually in the know about what had had gone on.
                              allisvanityandvexationofspirit

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