Who was killed by Jack the Ripper?

[Fernglas]

Hi and something wonky is going on with posting! Instead of my new text it reposted the saved old one. Strange!

[John Wheat]

Spot on. The Mitre Square murder isn’t the work of some clumsy oaf, it’s a man who under insane pressure, in near darkness, performed a precise kidney extraction. That takes knowledge, control, and a steady hand.

And then we’re told, with a straight face, no less, that this surgical masterclass was done by William Bury? The same guy whose medical résumé begins and ends with strangling his wife and hacking her body in his flat like a drunk carpenter?

Come on. That’s not Jack the Ripper, that’s Jack the Ripper-off..

The difference is obvious: one man was cutting with purpose, the other was just slashing around like a blind butcher chasing flies. Pretending they’re the same person is like saying a toddler with crayons is secretly Rembrandt because hey, both use their hands.



The Baron

Bury may well have been the Ripper though.

[Fernglas]

Spot on. The Mitre Square murder isn’t the work of some clumsy oaf, it’s a man who under insane pressure, in near darkness, performed a precise kidney extraction. That takes knowledge, control, and a steady hand.

And then we’re told, with a straight face, no less, that this surgical masterclass was done by William Bury? The same guy whose medical résumé begins and ends with strangling his wife and hacking her body in his flat like a drunk carpenter?

Come on. That’s not Jack the Ripper, that’s Jack the Ripper-off..

The difference is obvious: one man was cutting with purpose, the other was just slashing around like a blind butcher chasing flies. Pretending they’re the same person is like saying a toddler with crayons is secretly Rembrandt because hey, both use their hands.

The Baron

Hi and thank you Baron for the support!

I think John fell in love with the idea that Bury is the Ripper, which on first look seems well plausible. Once you go deeper into Ripper lore you will find out that most of the "first line suspect cast" can be written off the list. Ostrog, Bury, Kelly, Deeming, Fogelma, Barnett, Feigenbaum, Cream, Sickert to name only some which are out due to either being not in the area at all during the series, not having the area knowledge the Ripper conclusively had, in several cases neiter the skill set the Ripper showed he possessed.

[GBinOz]

You might want to get basic things about Bury correct. Your recent Bury said he was squeamish being one of a number of mistakes you have made regarding Bury on the forums. If you can get basics like this wrong. Your likely to be wrong on other things regarding Bury and other Ripper related topics.

Two articles that refer to Bury being squeamish:

https://whitechapeljack.com/jack-the-ripper-suspects/

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1778443359093751/posts/1796921050579315/

If you can get basics like this wrong, you're likely to be wrong on other things regarding Bury and other Ripper related topics.

[GBinOz]

Hi and something wonky is going on with posting! Instead of my new text it reposted the saved old one. Strange!

I'm also noticing problems with the site involving posts being repeated or out of order, including old threads.

[John Wheat]

Two articles that refer to Bury being squeamish:

https://whitechapeljack.com/jack-the-ripper-suspects/

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1778443359093751/posts/1796921050579315/

If you can get basics like this wrong, you're likely to be wrong on other things regarding Bury and other Ripper related topics.

The articles may be incorrect though. I haven't got my books about Bury with me at the moment but I'm sure neither book mentions this quote and they are both quite extensive. Will check the books when I can though.

[John Wheat]

Hi and thank you Baron for the support!

I think John fell in love with the idea that Bury is the Ripper, which on first look seems well plausible. Once you go deeper into Ripper lore you will find out that most of the "first line suspect cast" can be written off the list. Ostrog, Bury, Kelly, Deeming, Fogelma, Barnett, Feigenbaum, Cream, Sickert to name only some which are out due to either being not in the area at all during the series, not having the area knowledge the Ripper conclusively had, in several cases neiter the skill set the Ripper showed he possessed.

The Ripper didn't have surgeon like skill though so you are wrong.

[GBinOz]

The articles may be incorrect though. I haven't got my books about Bury with me at the moment but I'm sure neither book mentions this quote and they are both quite extensive. Will check the books when I can though.

Perhaps your books are incorrect or incomplete in their coverage. You might have checked before accusing me of making basic errors. Here's another reference:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Henry_Bury

[GBinOz]

The Ripper didn't have surgeon like skill though so you are wrong.

Because you say so??

[John Wheat]

Because you say so??

You and others are saying that the Ripper had surgical skill as if it was a fact though.

[GBinOz]

You and others are saying that the Ripper had surgical skill as if it was a fact though.

What I and others are suggesting is that what has been recorded in the autopsy of Eddowes reflects muscle memory skills developed in the dissection room to be repeatable while crouching or kneeling beside the victim in the dark. Definitely not a skill set possessed by drunken sawdust carriers.

[FrankO]

Hi Frank,

Those are good points, but I think that a similar argument could be made about James Kelly (and Deeming, for that matter). It appears to me that Kelly killed his wife because he was angry with her, so since I agree with you about what drove the Ripper, it appears to be different from what what drove Kelly to kill his wife.

Hi Lewis,

Thanks for pointing me to Kelly & Deeming. Having now read up a little bit about both Kelly & Deeming, I can say that their murders didn't show, as far as I can tell, any 'post-mortem interest' in their victims. Deeming seems closer to what the Ripper did, as he, at least, cut the throats of his victims. I have to say I'm not much of a 'suspect man'. At one time, I thought Hutchinson might have been the Ripper, but I abandoned that idea years ago and now I think it may have been someone like Francis Thomson, but I'm not married to the idea.

Cheers,
Frank

[GBinOz]

Hi Lewis,

Thanks for pointing me to Kelly & Deeming. Having now read up a little bit about both Kelly & Deeming, I can say that their murders didn't show, as far as I can tell, any 'post-mortem interest' in their victims. Deeming seems closer to what the Ripper did, as he, at least, cut the throats of his victims. I have to say I'm not much of a 'suspect man'. At one time, I thought Hutchinson might have been the Ripper, but I abandoned that idea years ago and now I think it may have been someone like Francis Thomson, but I'm not married to the idea.

Cheers,
Frank

Hi Frank,

I can only suggest that Deeming's lack of 'post-mortem interest' might have been due to the fact that they were family members rather than unknown street victims. I would rate Deeming as a prime suspect but for the fact that I don't believe that he possessed the skill set exhibited in the Eddowes murder, nor in the extraction of the heart from the pericardium in the Kelly murder. I agree that the perpetrator could have been someone LIKE Thompson, if not Thompson himself.

Best regards, George

[Fiver]

It's frankly ridiculous to discount suspects because they weren't a surgeon. There is no common consensus on wether the Ripper was an expert in anatomy and a surgeon would be from a different class to the C5 victims. Which is rare for a serial killer.

Most doctors who were serial killers were poisoners. I am unaware of any exceptions.

[Fiver]

Two articles that refer to Bury being squeamish:

https://whitechapeljack.com/jack-the-ripper-suspects/

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1778443359093751/posts/1796921050579315/

Those are the same article posted in two different places.