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  • Digalittledeeperwatson
    Sergeant
    • Oct 2012
    • 635

    #1

    4 or more unreasonable?

    Is the attribution of 4 or more victims to one killer an unreasonable assertion? I created this thread since things tend to get off topic rather quickly. Feel free to go to town on whatever here as anything can point to or away from a victims possible inclusion. Now, as it pertains to this matter, I say no. Although there isn't enough data to draw that conclusion with much certainty. But out of all the possibilities I think it is still a good one that is more likely than most others. Not set in stone of course. I say victims killed by same hand are most likely in this manner- Descending order. Nichols and Chapman closest. Eddowes by same hand but with the variations less likely. Followed by "MJK" being less likely than the previous. Tabram. Coles Mackenzie Stride. So 4-8 isn't unreasonable. The closer to 8 the less reasonable it gets. Bedlam is welcomed.
    Last edited by Digalittledeeperwatson; 06-10-2013, 12:58 PM. Reason: me can'ts counts in the morning
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  • Digalittledeeperwatson
    Sergeant
    • Oct 2012
    • 635

    #2
    Oh

    For clarity's sake I am not suggesting 8, just that it may not be quite as ludicrous as it seems.
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    • John Wheat
      Assistant Commissioner
      • Jul 2008
      • 3346

      #3
      In my opinion the attribution of four or more of the Whitechapel murders to one killer is certainly not an unreasonable assertion. I think it's more likely than several killers with similar m.o.'s.

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      • DVV
        Suspended
        • Apr 2008
        • 6014

        #4
        I know it's not trendy, but at least 7 imo.

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        • Digalittledeeperwatson
          Sergeant
          • Oct 2012
          • 635

          #5
          Hullo JW

          I as well to some extent. I think those who do not concur attribute it to affectation.
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          • lynn cates
            Commisioner
            • Aug 2009
            • 13841

            #6
            majority report

            Hello DLDW. Good idea for a thread.

            "Nichols and Chapman closest. Eddowes by same hand but with the variations less likely."

            I think many feel this way.

            Congratulations on seeing Nichols and Chapman as closest.

            Cheers.
            LC

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            • Digalittledeeperwatson
              Sergeant
              • Oct 2012
              • 635

              #7
              Hullo Lynn and all

              I suggested this on another thread previously. I believe it was stated Stride was still bleeding upon discovery. Using Blackwells time it is probably highly unlikely she was bleeding at 1 if she was murdered at 12:45. Maybe impossible. So I suggest she was murdered after Fanny went inside for the last time. IS's account occured then. Dimshitz arrived shortly after before 1 by a few minutes or so.
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              • Digalittledeeperwatson
                Sergeant
                • Oct 2012
                • 635

                #8
                No need

                For conspiracies. Just a rearranging of pooples' approximations of their perception of time.
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                • Digalittledeeperwatson
                  Sergeant
                  • Oct 2012
                  • 635

                  #9
                  I see this as reasonable. Interested in what others think.
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                  • Damaso Marte
                    Sergeant
                    • Jan 2012
                    • 612

                    #10
                    Not only is it reasonable, it is the majority view around here

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                    • DVV
                      Suspended
                      • Apr 2008
                      • 6014

                      #11
                      J comme Joseph

                      Originally posted by lynn cates View Post

                      Congratulations on seeing Nichols and Chapman as closest.

                      Cheers.
                      LC
                      Hi Lynn

                      closest, indeed. Not only in terms of MO.
                      Hanbury Street leads to Bucks Row, which is already within the juridiction of the J division.
                      If you have visited somebody in, say, Dorset Street, and have to walk back to Bethnal Green...

                      Cheers

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                      • lynn cates
                        Commisioner
                        • Aug 2009
                        • 13841

                        #12
                        precise time

                        Hello DLDW. Thanks.

                        You mean 12.50?

                        Cheers.
                        LC

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                        • lynn cates
                          Commisioner
                          • Aug 2009
                          • 13841

                          #13
                          Don't be Cross.

                          Hello David. Thanks.

                          Umm, you are not doing Lechmere now?

                          Cheers.
                          LC

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                          • Digalittledeeperwatson
                            Sergeant
                            • Oct 2012
                            • 635

                            #14
                            Originally posted by lynn cates View Post
                            Hello DLDW. Thanks.

                            You mean 12.50?

                            Cheers.
                            LC
                            There's only one precise time. Blackwell arrives at 1:16 by his watch. I base everything off that. Lamb said Blackwell arrived 10 min after he. Said he shouldn't like to think she was still bleeding. So that's 1:06ish. I would say maybe 10 max after the arrival of Dimshitz for all that business to transpire. So that's 12:56 or so at the earliest Dimshitz could've arrived. Stride is bleeding when discovered it is claimed. Maybe a few minutes to bleedout. If accounts are truthful we have a narrower window.
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                            • miakaal4
                              Inactive
                              • Sep 2012
                              • 276

                              #15
                              I too believe there were at least 7 murders. The first and the last unknown or thought unrelated.

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