Did Jack only kill 3?

[Debra A]

Lost records Debs?

Not that 'old chestnut' conveniently carted out again.....as we are told by....

Monty

ironic eh? Neil.

[Trevor Marriott]

Lost records Debs?

Not that 'old chestnut' conveniently carted out again.....as we are told by....

Monty

Any evidence is better than none

[Trevor Marriott]

No, we constantly hear there was no Ripper and no mutilation, cut throat murder was commonplace and everyone knew how to use a knife-you yourself have spouted some of that in the past. So, why is Feigenbaum, a man who cannot even be connected to Whitechapel (conveniently the records that could do this were lost in the war) up there with the suspects at all? He use a knife..big deal, it was common method of murder in those days, you told us so. I would go with a man who actually investigated the murders over a lawyer who only opened his trap after the death of client anytime!
And no need to get personal,trevor, you'll upset Phil who doesn't like that kind of thing.

I am not getting personal there are enough smart arses on here as it is without the need for a female to join the group.

[Monty]

No, we constantly hear there was no Ripper and no mutilation, cut throat murder was commonplace and everyone knew how to use a knife-you yourself have spouted some of that in the past. So, why is Feigenbaum, a man who cannot even be connected to Whitechapel (conveniently the records that could do this were lost in the war) up there with the suspects at all? He use a knife..big deal, it was common method of murder in those days, you told us so. I would go with a man who actually investigated the murders over a lawyer who only opened his trap after the death of client anytime!
And no need to get personal,Trevor, you'll upset Phil who doesn't like that kind of thing.

Lost records Debs?

Not that 'old chestnut' conveniently carted out again.....as we are told by....

Monty

[Debra A]

Did the police ever suspect Cutbush of being involved in the murders ?

Yes.It was mentioned at his 1891 trial and Inspector Race suspected him.

[Monty]

and where is the corroboration for what Anderson wrote and what Swanson purportedly wrote in the marginalia.

Please dont say they corroborate each other beacuse they dont.

How don't they?

Monty

[Debra A]

Clearly there wasnt otherwise you would have found him all the time you spending looking through records.

You also forget the ripper moniker has become synonymous with serial killers who cut their victims throats and mutilate their bodies.

No, we constantly hear there was no Ripper and no mutilation, cut throat murder was commonplace and everyone knew how to use a knife-you yourself have spouted some of that in the past. So, why is Feigenbaum, a man who cannot even be connected to Whitechapel (conveniently the records that could do this were lost in the war) up there with the suspects at all? He use a knife..big deal, it was common method of murder in those days, you told us so. I would go with a man who actually investigated the murders over a lawyer who only opened his trap after the death of client anytime!
And no need to get personal,Trevor, you'll upset Phil who doesn't like that kind of thing.

[Trevor Marriott]

Sorry Phil,

Slightly misleading that.

As far as we are aware there is no evidence against the Macnaghten 3 being murders, that must be noted.

Feigenbaum is yet another killer picked out of the ether and slotted in as Jack. Just because he has killed is no basis to state he is the the killer.

If we are condem on track record then we must include numerous other murders who have killed in similar fashion.

Anderson and Swanson were in a better position to comment than you and I ever will be. Unless you were party to the information they were I fail to see how you can make such a claim with any certainty.

Monty

and where is the corroboration for what Anderson wrote and what Swanson purportedly wrote in the marginalia.

Please dont say they corroborate each other beacuse they dont. At best swanson corroborates what is in the MM and as stated that is unreliable and unsafe.

[Trevor Marriott]

But then- why rule out Cutbush? -just on Macnaghten's say so?
What is it that people find so threatening about some of us wanting to treat the police involved in the original investigation as if they might have known a thing or two lost to us now? Just in case? Rightly or wrongly, they had opinions.What if one of them was right?

Did the police ever suspect Cutbush of being involved in the murders ?

[Trevor Marriott]

Ripper-like? I thought there was no Ripper, Trevor?
Plus, cut throat murders without mutilation were commonplace...weren't they?

Clearly there wasnt otherwise you would have found him all the time you spending looking through records.

You also forget the ripper moniker has become synonymous with serial killers who cut their victims throats and mutilate their bodies.

[Monty]

Sorry Phil,

Slightly misleading that.

As far as we are aware there is no evidence against the Macnaghten 3 being murders, that must be noted.

Feigenbaum is yet another killer picked out of the ether and slotted in as Jack. Just because he has killed is no basis to state he is the the killer.

If we are condem on track record then we must include numerous other murders who have killed in similar fashion.

Anderson and Swanson were in a better position to comment than you and I ever will be. Unless you were party to the information they were I fail to see how you can make such a claim with any certainty.

Monty

[Debra A]

Hello all,

A gentle reminder. There is not a scrap of evidence against Kosminski, Druitt, Ostrog, as being capable of, let alone actually murdering anyone.
The trundling out of the MacNaghten three (who were only mentioned as 'more likely than Cutbush') to be the killer is a misnomer. One feeble minded Polish Jew plucked from obscurity with a background of felonious dog walking and public masturbation, one barrister and part time teacher with no police record of any kind, ever- plucked from an unprovable story given in private OPINION only, a theif who was nowhere near Whitechapel at the time - gives a basic insight into what level the true evaluation of current suspect hunting is at. Although I dont see Feiginbaum as a multi murderer either, it must be conceded that he was a killer and also that Trevor has stated publically he may have only been responsible for one or two of the murders( I hope I am correct here Trevor)
So whilst I see holes everywhere in these supposed suspects, it has to be said that the MacNagthen three are very weak examples, for a man supposedly telling us he knew what was really going on he presented us with a bag of marbles intended to play bowls with.

Just my opinion

best wishes

Phil

But then- why rule out Cutbush? -just on Macnaghten's say so?
What is it that people find so threatening about some of us wanting to treat the police involved in the original investigation as if they might have known a thing or two lost to us now? Just in case? Rightly or wrongly, they had opinions.What if one of them was right?

[Trevor Marriott]

Was he named by two leading contemporary Police Officials involved in the case and known to be in the area at the time?

As for carrying a knife, so was Kosminski...as the attack on his sister indicates.


Monty

Where is your source to prove this knife incident actually took place and that it brought him to the notice of the police ?

I dont wish to start these arguments off again and I do not intent to become embroiled in these issues which have all been vigoroulsy debated to death. All I will say is that there is not one scrap of evidence which points to Aaron Kosminski being a suspect let alone a prime suspect which is my point.

The facts you refer to relate to an unknown male who was called Kosminski which all started off in a document which has now proved to be unreliable and unsafe, so question marks must hang over the full contents of that document. Along with question marks over the marginalia which again i am not going to dig up again but wait with interest to read the upcoming article on this in the next issue of ripperolgist.

[Phil Carter]

Hello all,

A gentle reminder. There is not a scrap of evidence against Kosminski, Druitt, Ostrog, as being capable of, let alone actually murdering anyone.
The trundling out of the MacNaghten three (who were only mentioned as 'more likely than Cutbush') to be the killer is a misnomer. One feeble minded Polish Jew plucked from obscurity with a background of felonious dog walking and public masturbation, one barrister and part time teacher with no police record of any kind, ever- plucked from an unprovable story given in private OPINION only, a theif who was nowhere near Whitechapel at the time - gives a basic insight into what level the true evaluation of current suspect hunting is at. Although I dont see Feiginbaum as a multi murderer either, it must be conceded that he was a killer and also that Trevor has stated publically he may have only been responsible for one or two of the murders( I hope I am correct here Trevor)
So whilst I see holes everywhere in these supposed suspects, it has to be said that the MacNagthen three are very weak examples, for a man supposedly telling us he knew what was really going on he presented us with a bag of marbles intended to play bowls with.

Just my opinion

best wishes

Phil

[mariab]

It was one of the French quarters of London, perhaps?

Wow, that's an idea. Haven't yet checked where exactly Portland Place was located in Victorian West London (I just know today's Regent Street), but was planning on going look it all up next spring.

I thought Mike Richards/AKA Perry Mason suspected the IWEC people to have killed Stride. (With no “absolute proof“, goes without saying.) :-)

Some dont want to accept the fact that there is no evidence as you have pointed out. Some keep playing the history card. Well isnt it right that what is historically written is there to be challenged in exactly the same way as the police case is with regards to the Ripper.

There IS evidence allright, only it's circumstantial and incomplete, requiring intense further research and interpretations. Not disagreeing that what has been historically written also requires to be challenged/re-interpeted.