Did Jack only kill 3?

[robhouse]

I assume Michael Thornton is a mere journalist vs. a Ripperologist? And what's "PAV"? "P-something Aberconway version"?

Yes, it stands for "Ppffffftthhh... Aberconway Version"

[mariab]

To Rob House:
Cracked me up. :-)

It is Prince Albert Victor, right?
(That's what I get for being allergic to the Royals. That and the wrath of some Aussie acquaintancies, big time.)

PS.: For real, pertaining to the Royal Conspiracy, always thinking "the Prince-what's-his-motherf*ckin' name". His dad is WAY more important historically, though not necessarily Ripperologically.

[Michael W Richards]

Regarding the conversation pertaining to the amount of time used by the killer in Mitre Square, IF the 3 Wise Men did in fact see Kate, and I see no reason to doubt that sighting, then the total elapsed time from the carriageway at Mitre to Watkins discovery is approximately 8 minutes. Thats for the walk to the spot, the attack, all the mutilations and organ extractions, the colon severing and apron severing, and then being gone when Watkins enters the square.

Really pushes the disbelief buttons to imagine that kind of timing to do all that in near darkness in about what, 6 minutes maximum?

The most fascinating thing to me about this murder is the nearby presence of police. Pearce, Morris(ex), Marriot, Halse and Outram, Watkins, Harvey,..one near an open door close to the spot and one with a view of the murder site from the bedroom window.

I wonder about her stating her name as "nobody" when she is arrested. Like Im no bother, nothing to worry about with me, what I think doesnt matter, silent as a mouse am I. Defensive posturing? Could it be, should the story she allegedly told her ex-landlady be true, that she shut up about such Ripper reward talk around the police? Even while potted?

Best regards,

Mike R

[Monty]

It was 'nothing', not nobody.

And it was the Superintendent at the Casual Ward.

Monty

[Michael W Richards]

It was 'nothing', not nobody.

And it was the Superintendent at the Casual Ward.

Monty

My apologies Monty, it was "nothing" not "nobody", however, as I originally stated, PC Louis Robinson and PC George Simmons took her to Bishopsgate Police Station where she used that pseudonym before Sgt Byfield locked her up.

I suppose what I suggested isnt your cup of tea.

Regards,

Mike R

[Monty]

If you, and your ideas, are to be taken seriously Michael then get the facts correct.

It may suit the likes of Trevor Marriott however if you wish to be taken seriously then it does pay to do ones homework.

Monty

[lynn cates]

Kate

Hello Mike, Neil. I had always thought Kate's dictum amounted to, "My name? None of your business!"

Neil, was Kate's alleged story supposed to be spoken at Mile End or Shoe Lane?

Cheers.
LC

[Michael W Richards]

If you, and your ideas, are to be taken seriously Michael then get the facts correct.

It may suit the likes of Trevor Marriott however if you wish to be taken seriously then it does pay to do ones homework.

Monty

Are you seriously chastizing me for a simple nothing/nobody mistake that I apologized for, all the while remaining silent about your mistaken correction of my post?

The information I quoted about Bishopsgate is in A-Z, not an obscure source.

Its great that you believe yourself to be far better informed than others Monty, it would seem though that criticizing others and making errors while doing so doesnt really support that notion.

There was a time when I showed you great respect here and you earned it. Now you insult me and have the audacity to lecture me and others on their errors while making your own.

As for being taken seriously, I can assure you I am looking for no pats on the back from you or many others here. That would signal that I have lost my way.

Regards,

Mike R

[Michael W Richards]

Hello Mike, Neil. I had always thought Kate's dictum amounted to, "My name? None of your business!"

Neil, was Kate's alleged story supposed to be spoken at Mile End or Shoe Lane?

Cheers.
LC

It was at Bishopsgate Lynn, see page 123 in The Jack the Ripper A-Z, from the 1996 edition.

Cheers Lynn,

Mike R

[Monty]

Are you seriously chastizing me for a simple nothing/nobody mistake that I apologized for, all the while remaining silent about your mistaken correction of my post?

The information I quoted about Bishopsgate is in A-Z, not an obscure source.

Its great that you believe yourself to be far better informed than others Monty, it would seem though that criticizing others and making errors while doing so doesnt really support that notion.

There was a time when I showed you great respect here and you earned it. Now you insult me and have the audacity to lecture me and others on their errors while making your own.

As for being taken seriously, I can assure you I am looking for no pats on the back from you or many others here. That would signal that I have lost my way.

Regards,

Mike R

You had a way Michael? You know where you are going?

I am far better informed than you and I don't make errors.

Lambeth Lynn, it was Lambeth.

Monty

[lynn cates]

casual

Hello Mike. Thanks. But I had thought there was a newspaper article that had her chatting up a super at a casual house as well?

Cheers.
LC

[Hunter]

It would not have taken long to perform the mutilations on either Chapman or Eddowes. Phillips was probably wrong about the length of time taken on Annie Chapman. He was relating how long it would take for him to do it, not a murderer with a motive that was incomprehensible to Phillips.

Same goes with Eddowes, even with the more gratuitous mutilations thrown in. Brown's timing was probably a little long. Sequeira guessed 3 minutes, and he was probably the closest to the real time taken. Someone adept with a knife can move very quickly.

They had never faced anything like this before and were literally dumbfounded by what they witnessed.

[lynn cates]

thanks

Hello Neil. Thanks. I had thought her stay was purported to be:

1. Thursday night--Shoe Lane.

2. Friday night--Mile End.

I take it more research is called for.

Cheers.
LC

[Monty]

Hello Neil. Thanks. I had thought her stay was purported to be:

1. Thursday night--Shoe Lane.

2. Friday night--Mile End.

I take it more research is called for.

Cheers.
LC

It depends on which news report you read Lynn. And that's what it is, a supposed quote in a newspaper unverified by anyone else.

Lambeth doesn't come it to it, though it seems Bishopsgate does.

Amazing.

Monty

[mariab]

It would not have taken long to perform the mutilations on either Chapman or Eddowes. Phillips was probably wrong about the length of time taken on Annie Chapman. He was relating how long it would take for him to do it, not a murderer with a motive that was incomprehensible to Phillips.
Same goes with Eddowes, even with the more gratuitous mutilations thrown in. Brown's timing was probably a little long. Sequeira guessed 3 minutes, and he was probably the closest to the real time taken. Someone adept with a knife can move very quickly.
They had never faced anything like this before and were literally dumbfounded by what they witnessed.

Agree.