Stride and Chapman , same address ?

[Cogidubnus]

undoubtedly...(and no I'm not stalking you...just following up on the "new posts"!)

All the best

Dave

[TheTypeWriter]

It was a printing error, so I have heard. Devonshire street mistaken for Dorset street.

[moonbegger]

And once again the dark clouds of confusion and conjecture descend . the spotlight is shining super bright , unfortunately not on the stage , its concentrated on the man 4th row from the back picking his nose albeit very interesting .

Moonbegger,

[mariab]

The 1960's TV character, Adam Adamant carried a swordstick. I remember treating myself to the plastic replica when, as a child, I lived in Harrow.

Sounds cool.

[Bridewell]

Adam Adamant

Didn't Spencer Tracy use one of those in Mr Hyde mode? I think he slit a man's nose....

The 1960's TV character, Adam Adamant carried a swordstick. I remember treating myself to the plastic replica when, as a child, I lived in Harrow.

On the subject of TV, wasn't it suggested, on another thread, that Pearly Poll may have been less of a lady than she pretended - as in more of a gentleman?

Regards, Bridewell.

[Robert]

Didn't Spencer Tracy use one of those in Mr Hyde mode? I think he slit a man's nose....

[miss marple]

Forget to say, the sword is a like a fencing foil, but very sharp, and not so flexible.

Miss Marple

[Tom_Wescott]

Hi Stephen, Miss Marple, et al,

Very interesting stuff on sword sticks. I've little doubt that Le Grand owned one, or a few, unfortunately I have no evidence to show this.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[moonbegger]

Ok .. Mr Vanderlinden ,
i concede you are clearly a great authority on this case, and you have a wide and extensive knowledge pertaining to the Ripper murders .. i also have much respect for your posts and the information you pass on to curious walk In's like myself .. it seems there is so much contradictory evidence as regards to the ( Who, What, Where, When and Why ) misunderstandings are inevitable .. it all becomes a matter of who we are to believe and what statement's makes more sense to us in a particular situation .. at the end of the day who really knows for sure ? I also think that if the Ripper is ever finally unmasked , it may just be due to a dip in the big blue ocean of conjecture. I thank you once again Wolf for your informative and accurate responses to my inquisitive posts ...

cheers
Moonbegger .

[Wolf Vanderlinden]

Hi Moonbegger.

Now, Now, Mister Wolf , calm down ..
I'm sensing a little over excitement creeping into the discussion

Whatever.

but here is the thing .. the only bit i i'm not really too interested in ( and wish to ignore ) is the conjecture and surmising .

Hmm…obviously this is not supported by what you have posted so far.

Is it not indeed a fact that Kidney said his address was 38/35 Dorset street?

You should probably re-read what I posted earlier.

Is it also not a fact that Liz was living with him up until a few days before her murder .. is it not a fact that liz went back to 38/35 dorset street when kidney was out to pick up some of her belongings after she left him ? is it not once again fact that coroner Baxter in summing up stated that " for the past two years prior to her death she had been living in a common lodging house in dorset street with water side labourer Michel kidney" ?

According to Kidney himself, he and Stride were living together on Devonshire Street, as I pointed out, which is something you appear to have decided to ignore. This was supported by two other people who knew Stride, something else you have decided to ignore. Since Kidney, I would suggest, actually knew where he and Stride were living, regardless of obviously errors reported in the press, anyone who is actually “not really too interested in (and wish to ignore) the conjecture and surmising” would have to believe Kidney. But I suppose you know better.

Wolf.

[miss marple]

I sell vintage stuff an had a sword stick about 5 years ago, it looks like a walking stick and you undo the top and pull out a sword,attached to the top, not a knife and I could not sell it in auction as they classed it as a dangerous weapon, so I sold it to another dealer.

Miss mARPLE

[Steven Russell]

Sword sticks

They did exist alright.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swordstick

Best wishes,
Steve.

[mariab]

Wouldn't 'sword sticks' have merely been wooden sticks sharpened at the end?

You mean, like a stake? Have watched too much Joss Whedon, eh?

[Tom_Wescott]

Hi Teej and Jon. Wouldn't 'sword sticks' have merely been wooden sticks sharpened at the end?

Hi Moon, his name is Mr. Vanderlinden, actually. He knows a lot of stuff, and you can choose to listen or not, but I would recommend you take what he says into full consideration.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[moonbegger]

Hi Moonbegger.



Sure, I suppose you can make a case of Stride living at 35 Dorset Street and the coincidence of Chapman having lived at this same address…if you ignore what I wrote:

“there is a usually ignored question as to whether they lived on Dorset Street at all or whether this was a mix up with Devonshire.”

Several newspapers reported that at the inquest Kidney stated that he was living at 38 Dorset Street. This does not mean that he had lived at this address with Stride for the three years they were together. It just means that on the day he gave evidence at the inquest Kidney was living at that address.

Kidney, himself, told the Central News (2 October, 1888) that he and Stride lived together at “35 Devonshire Street down to five months ago,” and that they then moved to 36 Devonshire. This is supported by the evidence of Sven Olsson, of the Swedish Church, who stated at the inquest that when Stride had applied for aid in May of 1886 she gave her address as “Devonshire Street.” Catherine Lane, who knew Stride from 32 Flower and Dean Street, also stated that Stride had lived on Devonshire Street.

One newspaper report, the Daily News, therefore, doesn’t stand up against Kidney’s own statements or those of others who knew Stride. The Daily News is obviously wrong and, as I also said, “Either way, they did not live at 35 Dorset Street.”

Wolf.

Now, Now, Mister Wolf , calm down ..
I'm sensing a little over excitement creeping into the discussion
i really do appreciate your knowledge and your opinion , and i thankfully take it all on board , but here is the thing .. the only bit i i'm not really too interested in ( and wish to ignore ) is the conjecture and surmising . Is it not indeed a fact that Kidney said his address was 38/35 Dorset street ? Is it also not a fact that Liz was living with him up until a few days before her murder .. is it not a fact that liz went back to 38/35 dorset street when kidney was out to pick up some of her belongings after she left him ? is it not once again fact that coroner Baxter in summing up stated that " for the past two years prior to her death she had been living in a common lodging house in dorset street with water side labourer Michel kidney" ? be-it 35 or 38 really makes no difference .. the fact that at least 3 victims lived on dorset street just before their murders .. in a densely populated square mile that was whitechapel .. for me raises more questions than answers . one thing that is clear though , is that no one can really be sure who was living where on any given night ( apart from poor ol Mary )

cheers
Moonbegger